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    (Original post by Kvothe the arcane)
    Does this suggest that feints work well against AI?
    I don't think so, because the AI would still respond to the move correctly.

    I think it's more that a human wouldn't bother even trying these moves because they understand it's pointless, whereas a bot can't factor that in so will still try the move because it has nothing to lose.

    It's kind of frustrating when you're playing against someone and they make these kinds of moves in order to try and 'trick' you in to missing something/making a mistake. Myungwan Kim on the AGA review kept saying that AlphaGo is really rude and the Deepmind team need to teach it manners :rofl:
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    Slightly disappointing end to the series of games, AlphaGo wins the final match....
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Slightly disappointing end to the series of games, AlphaGo wins the final match....
    although apparently the game was good (not knowing anything about Go, except that it isn't Othello, the intricacies are beyond me.)

    And isn't Lee Sedol the world #2? I wonder how much £$€¥ the #1 will want to even appear nevermind win...
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    (Original post by jneill)
    although apparently the game was good (not knowing anything about Go, except that it isn't Othello, the intricacies are beyond me.)

    And isn't Lee Sedol the world #2? I wonder how much £$€¥ the #1 will want to even appear nevermind win...
    All of the games have been good They've all been nail-biting :afraid:

    Lee Sedol I think is considered the current #1 player.

    Ke Jie who has beaten Lee Sedol 8 times has challenged AlphaGo. He's a bit of a hot head :P
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    All of the games have been good They've all been nail-biting :afraid:

    Lee Sedol I think is considered the current #1 player.

    Ke Jie who has beaten Lee Sedol 8 times has challenged AlphaGo. He's a bit of a hot head :P
    It all sounds rather curious... "His performance wasn't especially notable until 2013, but somehow he became very strong and powerful in 2014."
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    (Original post by jneill)
    It all sounds rather curious... "His performance wasn't especially notable until 2013, but somehow he became very strong and powerful in 2014."
    Are you suggesting.... Ke Jie is a robot!?! :afraid:

    Facebook also has a AI program they were training at Go I think... Google beat them to it though.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Are you suggesting.... Ke Jie is a robot!?! :afraid:

    Facebook also has a AI program they were training at Go I think... Google beat them to it though.
    But are they any good at CAH...?
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    Every move seems to play an important role here, from the very beginning to the final end. Even if the AI can't feel and have any emotions such as stress, it can actually use it to its own advantage and even turn the tables (that would be something difficult to achieve).

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    (Original post by jneill)
    But are they any good at CAH...?
    Cutting straight to the important questions :beard:
    (Original post by Impressive)
    Every move seems to play an important role here, from the very beginning to the final end. Even if the AI can't feel and have any emotions such as stress, it can actually use it to its own advantage and even turn the tables (that would be something difficult to achieve).

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    How do you mean exactly? :holmes:
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    SC2 is getting "DeepMind" implemented soon: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/51057/...-ai/index.html
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    How do you mean exactly? :holmes:
    I've got this image in my head but explaining it is.. Awh.. I will try.


    1; what if AI makes all the moves to induce a certain feeling in human just so the player can later make a mistake.
    2; you've been doing great for the first few turns, but what if you're wrong? It could be only intentional. After that, you're in dead end.

    Fair play with computer =loss. That's how I see it.

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    Nice piece in Wired: http://www.wired.com/2016/03/googles...mbid=social_fb
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    Does that mean AI will get human rights now?
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Does that mean AI will get human rights now?
    It got honorary 9 dan pro title
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Does that mean AI will get human rights now?
    I think we should aim to get human rights for all the humans first, before we start handing them out to machines.
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    (Original post by Impressive)
    Fair play with computer =loss. That's how I see it.

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    But Lee Sedol won one game...? :holmes:
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    But Lee Sedol won one game...? :holmes:
    I didn't watch it, was it the first game between Lee and AI when that happened?

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    (Original post by Impressive)
    I didn't watch it, was it the first game between Lee and AI when that happened?

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    4th game Lee Sedol played an amazing move which messed AlphaGo up
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    4th game Lee Sedol played an amazing move which messed AlphaGo up
    Amazing move you say, he must have thought it carefully (should have looked at the title... 4th game) as for the move - computer eventually learned from this mistake.

    I don't know whether I can compare chess AI to this game but sometimes I'm surprised by the moves. Especially when everything has been planned and the computer does that trick 'you either lose this pawn or that one', and of course it has an impact on the entire game. For me, winning a game with computer is not something I want to achieve, but rather learn from mistakes and practice. (a bit off-topic) ok. I'll stop here.

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