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    If i get 70 raw marks in Edexcel mathematics higher will i get an A on my report card or will i get like a B? Because in UMS 70% is a B. So is my grade measured in raw or ums marks? Please help I'm really stressing over this.
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    If i get 70 raw marks in Edexcel mathematics higher will i get an A on my report card or will i get like a B? Because in UMS 70% is a B. So is my grade measured in raw or ums marks? Please help I'm really stressing over this.
    Your grade is calculated from UMS; an A is 80% UMS, a B is 70% UMS etc. It's impossible to know what raw mark will be worth an A before the exam but you can look at past conversions on the Edexcel website, they have a useful excel document that converts raw to UMS for previous exam papers.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Your grade is calculated from UMS; an A is 80% UMS, a B is 70% UMS etc. It's impossible to know what raw mark will be worth an A before the exam but you can look at past conversions on the Edexcel website, they have a useful excel document that converts raw to UMS for previous exam papers.
    Wait, how does it work? In the grade boundaries 65/100 I'd usually an A, so if i get 65/100 raw marks ill be getting a B or a C?
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    Wait, how does it work? In the grade boundaries 65/100 I'd usually an A, so if i get 65/100 raw marks ill be getting a B or a C?
    What? No, if the A boundary is 65/100 raw marks and you get 65/100 then you'll get an A... unless I'm misunderstanding your question.

    65/100 sounds quite low for an A boundary in a GCSE Maths exam though...
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    What? No, if the A boundary is 65/100 raw marks and you get 65/100 then you'll get an A... unless I'm misunderstanding your question.

    65/100 sounds quite low for an A boundary in a GCSE Maths exam though...
    Sorry about the massive link :P

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ZFyqApqetGuh9Q

    It says 59/100 for an A. I just did the past paper and got 68 marks, that means an A?
    Thank btw, you're the only one who answered
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    If i get 70 raw marks in Edexcel mathematics higher will i get an A on my report card or will i get like a B? Because in UMS 70% is a B. So is my grade measured in raw or ums marks? Please help I'm really stressing over this.
    The UMS boundaries are always 80% - A, 70%-B etc etc. However, the raw mark boundaries aren't always that way for example, a mark of 67\100 last year in AQA biology unit 5 would ge you an A*. So the raw mark boundary would be 67% for an A* whereas the UMS boundary is still 90%. I think this is what you were asking haha
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    Sorry about the massive link :P

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ZFyqApqetGuh9Q

    It says 59/100 for an A. I just did the past paper and got 68 marks, that means an A?
    Thank btw, you're the only one who answered
    Oh fair enough, I think the IGCSE grade boundaries are lower than the GCSE grade boundaries. So yes, 68 marks would be an A in that paper.
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    (Original post by Sacred Ground)
    The UMS boundaries are always 80% - A, 70%-B etc etc. However, the raw mark boundaries aren't always that way for example, a mark of 67\100 last year in AQA biology unit 5 would ge you an A*. So the raw mark boundary would be 67% for an A* whereas the UMS boundary is still 90%. I think this is what you were asking haha
    Ahh. So they scale the grade boundaries to fit like 80% for an A. If so what's the point of using UMS? Thanks man i was stressing thinking i needed 90% to get an A even though the grade boundaries for an A is usually 60%. Gosh im dumb.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Oh fair enough, I think the IGCSE grade boundaries are lower than the GCSE grade boundaries. So yes, 68 marks would be an A in that paper.
    Alright thanks man REALLY appreciate the help. I owe you big time
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    Wait, so if I get 45/60 or 47/60 or 50/60 and say 45/60 was an A*, in UMS would they all be 90% UMS. So despite the raw mark, all marks at A* are 90% UMS?
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    (Original post by Adzkii786)
    Wait, so if I get 45/60 or 47/60 or 50/60 and say 45/60 was an A*, in UMS would they all be 90% UMS. So despite the raw mark, all marks at A* are 90% UMS?
    I'd suppose so.
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    I'd suppose so.
    Is this consistent for all subjects (aqa gcse science, frenchm english? Thanks for replying
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    (Original post by Adzkii786)
    Is this consistent for all subjects (aqa gcse science, frenchm english? Thanks for replying
    An A* is always 90% UMS (at GCSE, anyway). What raw mark this scales to depends on the individual paper.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    An A* is always 90% UMS (at GCSE, anyway). What raw mark this scales to depends on the individual paper.
    Quick question, what's the point of UMS? Why not just show your raw marks?
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    Quick question, what's the point of UMS? Why not just show your raw marks?
    It's impossible to make every exam paper just as hard. Say one year 10% of students get over 90 marks but the next year only 2% get more than 90 marks; clearly, the second year's paper was harder so it would be unfair to keep the grade boundary at the same place. So raw marks are scaled into UMS marks to adjust for variations in difficulties between paper. That way, even though a given mark doesn't necessarily represent the same level of achievement in every exam paper, a given UMS mark does (at least, in principle).
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    If i get 70 raw marks in Edexcel mathematics higher will i get an A on my report card or will i get like a B? Because in UMS 70% is a B. So is my grade measured in raw or ums marks? Please help I'm really stressing over this.
    Linear qualifications do not require UMS
    UMS is only necessary for modular qualifications to standardise unit results that may be combined from different exam sessions.

    Linear qualifications like maths GCSE award grades based on raw mark boundaries.
    After the exams are marked and analysed the examiners decide what minimum number of raw marks are required for each grade. The boundaries change for each exam.

    If you have been tested with a past paper your teachers can report the grade using the published boundaries for that specific exam. If they have used a paper that has never been used for real exams they will use whatever boundaries they see fit and you will have to ask them.



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    (Original post by gdunne42)
    Linear qualifications do not require UMS
    UMS is only necessary for modular qualifications to standardise unit results that may be combined from different exam sessions.

    Linear qualifications like maths GCSE award grades based on raw mark boundaries.
    After the exams are marked and analysed the examiners decide what minimum number of raw marks are required for each grade. The boundaries change for each exam.

    If you have been tested with a past paper your teachers can report the grade using the published boundaries for that specific exam. If they have used a paper that has never been used for real exams they will use whatever boundaries they see fit and you will have to ask them.



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    So it's not applicable to me? Im doing Edexcel IGSCE Higher (4MA0) it's linear for sure, you're tested at the end and there's no coursework.
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    (Original post by AliNaqvi:D)
    So it's not applicable to me? Im doing Edexcel IGSCE Higher (4MA0) it's linear for sure, you're tested at the end and there's no coursework.
    Edexcel igcse maths does not use ums


    For an explanation of how papers are marked and graded
    http://qualifications.pearson.com/en...nd-grades.html


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