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    I was going to go to France if I did a year abroad at university... do you think I should go somewhere else or will it be okay?
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    Oh no just come here ! It'll be a very good expericence :yep: What are you studying ?
    Don't worry the system is different for foreign students ^^ ! Also, I am mostly talking about medicine studies, it does not mean that all of the studies are like that :3
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    Hey !
    Oh no just come here ! It'll be a very good expericence :yep: What are you studying ?
    Don't worry the system is different for foreign students ^^ ! Also, I am mostly talking about medicine studies, it does not mean that all of the studies are like that :3
    Oh okay! I'm going to hopefully be doing clinical/forensic psychology. I'm not at university yet but I always like to plan ahead haha. I'd like to do a year abroad because it is much cheaper than doing the year in my own country ( £9000 a year, probably more soon wtf).
    I'm sorry to hear about how horrible the process of becoming a doctor is in France. You'd think it would be better considering that doctors will go on to save lives!
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    Don't worry the system is different for foreign students ^^ !
    #ForeignPrivilege. :grumble:
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    (Original post by jessyjellytot14)
    Oh okay! I'm going to hopefully be doing clinical/forensic psychology. I'm not at university yet but I always like to plan ahead haha. I'd like to do a year abroad because it is much cheaper than doing the year in my own country ( £9000 a year, probably more soon wtf).
    I'm sorry to hear about how horrible the process of becoming a doctor is in France. You'd think it would be better considering that doctors will go on to save lives!
    Perfect then, don't worry you won't have any struggle , and as I said above it'll be a very good experience

    Yep , terrible process :/ and unfortunately there is nothing I can do but go abroad :/

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    #ForeignPrivilege. :grumble:
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    Tbf, basically If you plan to work in France after studies the system is the exact same but if it's for a short period such as one year , it's different :3
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    Hi guys ! It's been a while :heart: I still have exams but I thought I would do a blog post.

    Today it's about people who fail. Who are they ? How do they feel ? What do they do ?
    Because now you know, "failing" medicine in France is common. Ask someone "what do you study" and a lot of them will actually reply "I study X, but I failed medicine before". This is true. And sad. Because what happens when like 75% of students don't have a place in either med, pharma, dentistery, physio and midwifery ?

    What happens ?
    They're lost. We are lost. There are a few categories of people. Those who actually do not care, they are up to go anywhere, and it's fine. At least that's what they think. Let's call them Type 1.

    Type 2 now. Type 2 are truly lost. Because they are not brave enough to go abroad, but they don't know anymore what to do in life. So they go to see a .. Careers adviser ? I mean this person who is supposed to help you find the right course for you.

    Type 3. Type 3 are dedicated. I am type 3. Type 3 are ready to everything, to go abroad, to give up their whole life. All of this for the same dream. Type 3 are broken persons. Type 3 are scared. But type 3 will never give up.

    Type 1.
    Let's talk about my ex school, it'll be more simple, but it's everywhere else the same thing.So, type 1 are like "I failed ? Whatever ! I'll do a biology course." Because we have a weird system, people who did not succeed med but "validated" the year can go to year 2 of a biology course. (Succeeding the year means being one of the best, so like 13-14/20 of average ; validating is getting at least 10/20)
    So this is kinda good right ? People failed somewhere else but they keep going, biology is good ! But it's not as simple as it seems. Not at all.
    Ex med students in a biology course are very patronized, not even by the students, but by the teachers. They're like "an ex med student AGAIN *sigh*" I am not exagerating, it happens all the time.What is the other problem ?
    The other problem is like +50% of ex med students go to a bio course, because the selection isn't as hard as med. But at the end of the studies , who gets a job ? Not a lot of them. Not a lot at all.

    Type 1 are lost again. Again. And again.


    Type 2.
    Type 2 are in existential crisis, they don't know what to do, they need a careers adviser. They ask ask you about your hobbies/grades and stuff like that to find the right course for you. The problem with the careers adviser, is that they hate ex med students.
    Because being ex med student is a very particular and complicated case. Those who go to a councellor end up in a biology course, most of them did it because they had no other choice, some of them hate it. But they do it anyway, because what can they do ?

    Type 2 are lost. Again. And again.

    Type 3.
    Type 3 apply abroad and are ready to give up on their life. We type 3, are scared as well. Because even of we are ready to do so, it is not that simple to give up on your life. On your family. Your city. Your friends.
    When you actually loved your life so much, that you think you were happy. You really thought so. Then you failed. Everything crashed down, and you realise you'll never be happy if you don't realise your dream.You make sacrifices. You leave everything behind. You are already crying anyway, so you just do it.
    You don't need a lot of time to decide, you just apply abroad. And you wait. You wait. You wait for your fate.
    Your future is blurred, you don't know where you'll end up, you just want to realise your dream. You're French. Born and raised here. But you've been thrown out of your own country.

    Type 3 are lost. Again. And again.

    When you're a type 3, when you see your type2/3 friends, you wonder why the educational system made you both a number and a "type". You wonder where you are, where you going.
    You wonder where has gone the human being who used to be inside.

    Wait, 15% did not fail right ?
    Indeed. And a lot of them will be very good doctors. Not all of them. Because they never had to go through an interview to pass. No one will ever check if they're good enough in social interactions to become good doctors.
    So sometimes, you have to deal with a bad doctor. Who can ruin your life with a misdiagnosis. It almost happened to me.

    I am very angry at the French educational system. Do you realise how many of us, students, are actually lost and scared EVERY ****ING YEAR ?! Maybe you realise. But our government does not. Government does not care anyway.

    And that's why if I ever get in a med school abroad, I'll never come back. France is losing its citizens.

    France is losing.

    Sorry this post is a bit more political than usual. Anyway, thanks for reading it Idk yet what next time will be about, see you soon :heart:
    hey, u didnt tag me but still nice to see you back on tsr (I myself have been awol due to random stuff in life)
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    hey, u didnt tag me but still nice to see you back on tsr (I myself have been awol due to random stuff in life)
    Aw I'm sorry :/ could not remember everyone I'll tag you next time :yep:

    And thanks I am not back full time yet ( :innocent: ) but I'm definitely back
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    Bonjouuuuur tout le monde !

    Here I am, the first unicorn of whole TSR ! I want to write a blog to share my experience -and to help me get through it why not- as a student who failed medicine. I noticed before that no one really knows how med studies goes on right here in France, and it is DEFINITELY different from the med system in UK.
    That's why I decided to tell you how it is, the whole thing, the official things, and the secrets things, and ALL OF IT.

    I can tell that was the most awful and wonderful experience of my whole life -yes both awful and wonderful- you learn a lot, and you change. You can't be the same person anymore after getting through such a thing. Well, let's start my friends !

    To start this blog, you need to know all about med studies in here. My first post will be all about it this part will be a bit complicated and technical, if you don't get it all at first it's okay don't worry !

    Applying.
    When you're at college, you can apply to 4 med schools. The special thing about France is, EVERYONE can get into a med school, whatever his grades ! Because the selection occurs during the first year, you'll understand.
    So, at college I had good grades but I was not the best (this part is a really long story, I'll tell you all about it later) and decided to apply for med schools because my dream has always been to become a surgeon. When you apply, that's a computer who will decide in which school you'll go, according to your 4 choices. This is this way for equality -that's what they say..- then, each med school could be heterogenous enough.
    The computer's choice is based on your mention at the baccalaureate. Here are the different mentions you can get :
    - No mention : grade between 10/20 and 12/20
    - Mention "assez bien" : 12-14/20
    - Mention "bien" : 14-16/20
    - Mention "très bien" : 16-20/20

    The purpose of the computer system is to have at the end 25% of each students in each med school. Everyone is following it's okay ? Well. I was taken in my first choice, who was also the best med school of whole France (according to the concours of the 6th year, that's an other story, to be continued !) And once you're taken, the nightmare begins !
    I will now talk about my school, the numbers I'll give etc are according to my school *it's everywhere else kinda the same thing tho*

    About the med school.
    The first year is called PACES or Première Année Commune aux Études de Santé (first common year of health studies) or P1. A first year student is also called a P1, so if you hear me sometimes say something like "the other P1" I would be talking about the 1st year students.
    The particular thing here is -yes, a lot of things are particular with France actually !- that we have to pass a "concours" I don't know how to translate it in english, but it means at the exam your grades have to be better than everyone else's grades, you can fail with good grades.
    Also, this concours is not only for those who wanna do med studies ! It's for all the people who wanna become : doctors in medicine, dentist, pharmacist, physiotherapist, midwifery. We are 2500 students. There are 331 places in medicine, 115 places in pharma, 36 in dentistery, 30 for midwifery, 28 for physio. Yeah. 540 places, 2500 students. Let's fight.

    You know about all this stuff when you apply, you just don't realize. You don't realize it's not as easy as it sounds ... Why limited places ? Because as you might already know, our Social Security system has a huge hole, and if there is too much doctors, there is too much drugs, and too much money who goes. The thing is, we are in need of doctors in France, we don't have enough ... Cherchez l'erreur ! (= search for the mistake, french expression, does it make sense in english ?)

    About courses.
    The year works like that. 2500 students, 9 months, 2 semesters, 2 examinations (11 different tests) and .. 540 winners.
    We learn subjects by "UE -> Unité d'Enseignement" it's like a module, each module will have is own test, and each module is about a few differents subjects. For the first semester, who start around the 10th september, there are 4 UE :
    - UE1 : general chemistery, organic chemistry, biochemistery
    - UE2 : cell biology, reproductive biology, histology, embryology
    - UE3.1 : physics, biophysics
    - UE5 : anatomy
    The examination takes place around the 15th december. You need to know that all theses subjects are ALL DONE in 3 months, and there are the equivalence of : 2 years in a biology course, 3 years in a physics course + all the anatomy stuff. I'm not joking or exagerating. This is TRUE. Unfortunaltely. And that's all about the first semester for now, this is not the end haha !

    After the semester 1 (S1) we have the S2, with :
    - UE3.2 : biophysics + physiology
    - UE4 : biostatistics
    - UE6 : drug's knowledge
    - UE7 : psychology, law, public health and medicine history
    - UECS1 : anatomy
    - UECS2 + UEP : pharmaceutical science

    In this semester, it's like doing one year of psychology. For the rest I don't even know ;P Well ! The S2 starts around the 5th january and ends up around the 5th may.
    The first examination ends up to a rating , from 1 to 2500. This rating is not definitive tho, and the S2 is here to : help you keep your place, help you gain places in the rating. Obviously, when you're too far from the 331 , you have no chance and you retake the year. The thing is, you can only do the year twice. And if you are after the 1500th, you can't retake at all. Yeah, awful I know. I'll tell you about it later !

    When you have so much to learn, you wish a day could me more than 24h (I really made that wish actually haha) , and you start having bad habits like sleeping only 6h a night (just, NEVER do it haha I can certify it's not good :lol: ) ; eating too fast (in 30min.. Don't do it as well !) and other weird stuff like that.

    The worse part is the culpability you feel, you're always like "if you take a too long shower, you'll loose places at the rating" I SWEAR to you, we have thoughts like that. We definitely turn insane lol.

    Now, you know all about med studies in France. Officially. That's what it is supposed to be, and it is the way it is, BUT. But med students are more than just numbers, and a lot of people can't see that.
    I wanna tell you about it, about our feelings, because we are not numbers. Right now I'm trying to convince myself, but that's hard' , because whatever happens, when you put a foot inside a med school, you become a number. You fight for a rating, you live for it, you dream about it, you eat- and sometimes don't even eat- for it, you want to be a part of the 331 , you wanna be a number. You want to. That's when you become a number you did not want to be, that you realize that you were not supposed to be a number at all.
    That you were not just the 529th, that you were still a human. You want to believe it, you try, but it takes time. Because it's too late, you are a number for everyone else.


    Thanks for reading guys I hope you find it interesting, feel free to ask anything if I was not clear enough or something.

    The next time : I will tell you about a typical med student day, how the courses goes on, the houuuuurs of hard working, and I'll tell you a bit about my grades before the med school, and at the med school, and the thing about me being a genius kid (that's an interesting fact you know, because when you have been the number one your whole life, you don't even imagine that you can fail. To be continued !)

    Thanks again for reading, love you all <3 !


    Bonus #1 *post 46* : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...0#post63499317

    Part 2 *post 91* : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...3943045&page=5

    Bonus #2 *post 138* : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...3943045&page=7

    Part 3 *post 242* : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...7#post63499317

    Part 4 : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...3#post63666733

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    Part 5 : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...943045&page=22

    Part 6 : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...3#post64002053

    Part 7 : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...5#post64154835

    Part 8 : http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...943045&page=30

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    Omg, mais t'es un geni ou quoi??? :eek:, tu vis en france et ton anglais........ est (ya pas de mots pour la decrire, mais je dirais) spectaculaire (1000 fois mieux que la mienne :ahee:). Ca m'a donné l'envi de tous lire (même se je l'ai lu 3 fois de suite hihi)

    Ca m'a l'aire très intéréssant😆, j'ai jamais pu voir a quoi ca ressemblais les uni en france parce-que j'avais déménager en angleterre quand j'étais en 4éme.et maintenant que tu dit tous ca, ca me confirme que la décisions de déménager en angleterre étais la bonne ☺

    Enfaite, c quoi ton secret 😊, comment ta fait pour avoir un anglais parfait en vivant en france.....

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    Omg, you are a real genious or what? ? , you live jn france and ur english is spectaculaire (1000 times better than mine) it made me want to read all of it(even if i read it 3 times in a row)
    That seems really interresting , i have never been able to see wjats its like to go to uni in france because i moved fo england when i was in year 9. And now that u have said that, it confirms to me that moving here was a good idea
    Btw, what is ur secret, how did u manage to speak english so well in france
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    Omg, mais t'es un geni ou quoi??? :eek:, tu vis en france et ton anglais........ est (ya pas de mots pour la decrire, mais je dirais) spectaculaire (1000 fois mieux que la mienne :ahee:). Ca m'a donné l'envi de tous lire (même se je l'ai lu 3 fois de suite hihi)

    Ca m'a l'aire très intéréssant😆, j'ai jamais pu voir a quoi ca ressemblais les uni en france parce-que j'avais déménager en angleterre quand j'étais en 4éme.et maintenant que tu dit tous ca, ca me confirme que la décisions de déménager en angleterre étais la bonne ☺

    Enfaite, c quoi ton secret 😊, comment ta fait pour avoir un anglais parfait en vivant en france.....
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    Ohhhhh merci je suis flattée !! :lovehug:
    Techniquement oui j'avais une intelligence supérieure à la moyenne quand j'étais plus jeune xD

    j'apprends facilement les langues :3 j'adore ça :love: :love: je suis polyglotte en fait, je parle couramment Français, Anglais, Arabe, je comprends l'Allemand dans une certaine mesure et j'apprends actuellement le Tchèque :yep: Et donc en fait j'ai appris l'Anglais un peu à l'école mais c'était pas suffisant alors j'ai fait du self teaching et puis à force , un peu par observation (en lisant +++) ça a finit par rentrer ^^

    Oui déménager c'était carrément une bonne décision mdrrr !

    Merci encore de me complimenter sur mon anglais j'apprécie bcp !! Je suis sûre que le tien est meilleur que le mien par contre ;D

    Oh et merci de lire mon blog :lovehug:

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    ty so much I am flattered !
    Well when I was younger I used to have an IQ higher than the average

    I can easily learn a new language, I am a polyglot actually (fluent un French, English, Arabic, understand German to some extent, currently learning Czech)

    I learnt English a bit at school but it was not enough so I started self teaching and step by step, mostly by observation (reading +++) I became fluent.

    Yes moving out was definitely a good decision lol

    Thanks again for the compliment about my English I appreciate it a lot !! I am sure yours is better than mine tho

    Thanks for reading my blog btw !
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    aah parce-qu'en plus tu peu parler d'autre languages!!!!
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    and you can also speak multiple languages!!
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    aah parce-qu'en plus tu peu parler d'autre languages!!!!
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    and you can also speak multiple languages!!
    Oui je peux , comme j'ai dis j'adore apprendre les langues :love: :love:
    Qu'est ce que tu étudies :3 ?

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    yes I can, as mentioned above I really like to learn languages. What do you study ?
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    Gee, I wonder if you would know any decent proofreaders to help the lady with her English? Ones that work for the minimum wage? :cookie:

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    Gee, I wonder if you would know any decent proofreaders to help the lady with her English? Ones that work for the minimum wage? :cookie:

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    A wild Hyde appeared :ahee:

    I told you I did not share :unimpressed: :unimpressed:

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    more seriously, you're good at correcting and made me improve as well xD
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    i am doing gcses yet
    maths, english language and literature, core,additonal and further additional sciences, ICT, geogrpahy, french (obviously) and RE
    that's 10 GCSES
    and for Alevels am going to do:biology, chemistry, maths and french (obviouslyx2)
    at uni i am going to study biochemistry, pharmacy or medicine (i will never be sure)
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    gonna get A* in everything (not being arrogant there) but i am going to fail english (not exaggerating there:ashamed2:)
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    i am doing gcses yet
    maths, english language and literature, core,additonal and further additional sciences, ICT, geogrpahy, french (obviously) and RE
    that's 10 GCSES
    and for Alevels am going to do:biology, chemistry, maths and french (obviouslyx2)
    at uni i am going to study biochemistry, pharmacy or medicine (i will never be sure)
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    gonna get A* in everything (not being arrogant there) but i am going to fail english (not exaggerating there:ashamed2:)
    Cool subjects :ahee:

    A* :woo: :woo: well done !!! :five: :five:
    Aww sorry about the English one :/ I hope you won't fail that much :sad:
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    Cool subjects :ahee:

    A* :woo: :woo: well done !!! :five: :five:
    Aww sorry about the English one :/ I hope you won't fail that much :sad:
    gonna my resuts in augusts the 25th, hope i pass by magic
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    gonna my resuts in augusts the 25th, hope i pass by magic
    Wow results are pretty late 😱😱 I cross my Unicorn hooves for you !! :hugs:
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    (Original post by FrenchUnicorn)
    Cool subjects :ahee:

    A* :woo: :woo: well done !!! :five: :five:
    Aww sorry about the English one :/ I hope you won't fail that much :sad:
    Thanks btw
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    (Original post by FrenchUnicorn)
    Wow results are pretty late 😱😱 I cross my Unicorn hooves for you !! :hugs:
    Hey hey hey hey, I wanna go to med skool in france but I dont speak french and Im afraid people will bully me and throw baguettes at me and ill look dumb instead of looking smart.
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    (Original post by FrenchUnicorn)
    Wow results are pretty late 😱😱 I cross my Unicorn hooves for you !! :hugs:
    Ooh yeees they are, i might decay (of fear) by then!!
    See i didnt know what hooves meant but now i know coz i searched it)
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    (Original post by FrenchUnicorn)
    Wow results are pretty late 😱😱 I cross my Unicorn hooves for you !! :hugs:
    French Unicorn girl I also dont know if im smart enough like a lot of your post is french and it makes no sense to me but I heard you dont need to be smart to study med in france cos france doesnt get many smart people but still idk what the heck is going on in ur post
 
 
 
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