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    (Original post by Achaea)
    And why do you have to have a degree to form an opinion on whether calling people 'the worst of creatures' promotes affection and tolerance for them? Do you think it does?
    Context is key, in all paths of life.
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    (Original post by Hussm)
    Context is key, in all paths of life.
    So after three times of being asked 'does the quran promote affection and tolerance for non-Muslims by calling them 'the vilest of creatures'?', you still won't answer. Which of course is an answer in itself.
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    (Original post by Achaea)
    So after three times of being asked 'does the quran promote affection and tolerance for non-Muslims by calling them 'the vilest of creatures'?', you still won't answer. Which of course is an answer in itself.
    If i gave an answer now it would be in ignorance.
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    (Original post by Hussm)
    If i gave an answer now it would be in ignorance.
    Give*
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    (Original post by If u dont mind)
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    Cheers.
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    (Original post by Achaea)
    So after three times of being asked 'does the quran promote affection and tolerance for non-Muslims by calling them 'the vilest of creatures'?', you still won't answer. Which of course is an answer in itself.
    I've never understood how a book that claims to be so clear in it's message can promote such muddled replies as his
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Pretty much, but I'm glad they are, if every muslim was a fundamentalist, we'd be screwed.
    Wrong they'd be screwed, if every Muslim was a fundamentalist they'd have no moderates to hide among.
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    Who cares what Donald Trump thinks the media controls you guys brains that's why you're so fascinated by this man
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    (Original post by al_94)
    Who cares what Donald Trump thinks the media controls you guys brains that's why you're so fascinated by this man
    As there's now a pretty fair chance that Trump may be the next President of the USA and hence the most powerful man in the world we should care what Trump thinks.

    Right or wrong, he's getting my vote if he gets that far.
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    (Original post by Hussm)
    You just have to look at India and Burma to see violence against other religions for Hinduism and Buddhism.

    You may be triggered.
    (Original post by Hussm)
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/focus-rohin...ansing-1504610
    The people that are carrying out these acts are buddhist.
    (Original post by Hussm)
    If buddhists are carrying murdering and raping others solely on the basis of their religion does it matter whether the scriptures say to do or not?

    Well, technically they aren't Buddhists. I'm not saying this to be an apologist, I'm saying it because this is a common misconception about Buddhism.

    At the core of Buddhism is the Noble Eightfold Path, which describes eight simple steps which must be taken to achieve happiness. The 'Buddhists' you've mentioned have essentially s**t all over this fundamental aspect of the religion. To be a Buddhist you must follow the teachings of the Buddha. Here's why they're not Buddhists:

    They've broken Right Resolve. This means being resolved on harmlessness and freedom from bad intentions. In order to achieve this, you must first adopt pacifism. The Buddha taught that all living creatures are equal, so harming any living creature is strictly forbidden. For monks this even extends to mandatory vegetarianism.

    They've also broken Right Action. Right Action is abstaining from killing any living creature (unless of course you do it accidentally and only in self defense), stealing and from being unfaithful to your partner (adopting chastity if you're a monk).

    See? They don't follow the Buddha's teachings therefore they aren't Buddhists

    Ironically, you're the one who follows a religion whose holy book says horrible things about all non-Muslims a grand total of 109 times! Buddhism on the other hand says the complete opposite: that all living beings are equal in status and that violent/negative thoughts or actions towards any of them is wrong.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Wrong they'd be screwed, if every Muslim was a fundamentalist they'd have no moderates to hide among.
    That way we could just kill them all and not worry about it.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    As there's now a pretty fair chance that Trump may be the next President of the USA and hence the most powerful man in the world we should care what Trump thinks.

    Right or wrong, he's getting my vote if he gets that far.
    I really don't care about USA if Trump does get elected it will enforce what I think about Americans. Wow you said US president is the most powerful man in the world lol I don't even know what to say to that.
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    (Original post by al_94)
    I really don't care about USA if Trump does get elected it will enforce what I think about Americans. Wow you said US president is the most powerful man in the world lol I don't even know what to say to that.
    Nobody cares what you think about Americans pencil ****.

    The US President is leader of the free world and the world's largest economy. He's also commander in chief of the world's most powerful military. I'm not sure if that makes him the most powerful man in the world but I'd say he's way up there on the list.
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    (Original post by Hussm)
    I don't know, I don't have a degree in Islamic studies. My post was in response to another post, not to the OP.
    lol Pathetic attempt to slither out of that.

    (Original post by Hussm)
    Context is key, in all paths of life.
    Not as much as this one though. What context could there possibly be for the quote Achaea was giving you?
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    (Original post by carlskep)
    Trigger warning: hateful religious messages in spoiler:

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    2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes

    “And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’

    2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed

    “When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers.

    2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies

    “And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

    3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam

    “Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers — for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything — unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.”

    3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger

    “You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honour, and forbidding dishonour, and believing in Allah. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly. They will not harm you, except a little hurt; and if they fight with you, they will turn on you their backs; then they will not be helped. Abasement shall be pitched on them, wherever they are come upon, except they be in a bond of Allah, and a bond of the people; they will be laden with the burden of Allah’s anger, and poverty shall be pitched on them; that, because they disbelieved in Allah’s signs, and slew the Prophets without right; that, for that they acted rebelliously and were transgressors.”

    3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts

    “We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”

    3:181 Jews are bound for hell

    “Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’”

    4:34 Beat disobedient women

    “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”

    4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah

    “And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…”

    5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad

    “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

    5:41 Jews listen to falsehood and pervert the meaning of their Scriptures

    “O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths ‘We believe’ but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, ‘If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!’ Whomsoever Allah desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with Allah. Those are they whose hearts Allah desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

    5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies

    “O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”

    5:59-60 Jews cursed, made into apes and swine

    “Say: ‘People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in Allah, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?’ Say: ‘Shall I tell you of a recompense with Allah, worse than that? Whomsoever Allah has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols — they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.’”

    5:64 Jews accursed

    “The Jews have said, ‘Allah’s hand is fettered.’ Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and Allah loves not the workers of corruption.”

    5:72 Christians are unbelievers

    “They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’”

    5:82 Jews most hostile to the Muslims

    “Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.”

    6:91 Jews deny, conceal divine revelations

    “They measured not Allah with His true measure when they said, ‘Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? You put it into parchments, revealing them, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Say: ‘Allah.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging.”

    6:146 Jews insolent

    “And to those of Jewry We have forbidden every beast with claws; and of oxen and sheep We have forbidden them the fat of them, save what their backs carry, or their entrails, or what is mingled with bone; that We recompensed them for their insolence; surely We speak truly.”

    7:166 Jews are apes

    “And when they [Jews] turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’”

    8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them

    “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”

    8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme

    “Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”

    8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah

    “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

    9:5 Slay the idolaters

    “Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

    9:28 Idolaters unclean

    “O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”

    9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians

    “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

    9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah

    “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of Allah.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!”

    9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords

    “They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son — and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate.”

    9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers

    “O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna — an evil homecoming!”

    9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah

    “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

    9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them

    “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

    47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive

    “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

    48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers

    “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.”

    62:6 Jews should long for death

    “Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”

    98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures

    “The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”


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    1. God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something?

    2. You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

    3. Perversity and human trafficking condoned: "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

    4. Sex slavery condoned: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
    Exodus 21: 7-8

    5. Divorce akin to debauchery: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)

    6. Cannibalism: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)

    7. If your genitals have been damaged, stay out of church: "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)

    8. Incest and getting drunk with dad is no problem if the world is running thin on suitable DNA donors: And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

    9. Looking at a woman with desire is akin to adultery: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

    10. But incestuous rape is cool: And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [II Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [II Kings 13:14]

    11. Pray in private, and if you do so in church, do so quietly: Matt 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."
    12. If you offend God he will kill you: "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." (Genesis 38:7-10)
    13. God smites women, children and often animals with equal gusto, he seems to equal evil and wrong doing by association, rather than by being guilty of the personal, individual act: "Behold with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day." (II Chronicles 21:14-15)

    14. Rev 21: 8 "liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Eternal damnation for lying? In South Africa murderers and rapists often get released for good behaviur, lying is politics.


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    The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

    - Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b



    "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

    - Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30



    "Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

    - Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855



    "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

    - Coschen hamischpat 405



    "The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

    - Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b



    "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

    - Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b



    "If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

    - Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b



    "If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."

    - Jore dea 377, 1



    "Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

    - Talmud Sanhedrin 74b



    "It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

    - Sepher ikkarim III c 25



    "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

    - Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5



    "A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

    - Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b



    "Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

    - Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772


    Sorry, can't find many hateful messages from Hindu, Buddhist and other majorish religions...
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    (Original post by BWV1007)
    - Plans to ban Muslims from coming to the US
    - Thinks "Islam hates him"

    Well I wonder why.
    Yeah I remember before he said that the Muslim world generally had a favourable opinion of America :laugh:
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    Woohoohoo this thread is a holy mess loool

    Any ****ing way whether he's right or wrong he's so LOW to try to gain votes by intentionally appealing to xenophobic hatred :hmmm:


    I don't want a hate-mongerer in office dictating to the world for years how to be.
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    wait is that the user Tyrion Lannister?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    As there's now a pretty fair chance that Trump may be the next President of the USA and hence the most powerful man in the world we should care what Trump thinks.

    Right or wrong, he's getting my vote if he gets that far.
    And God bless America :erm:

    :rolleyes:

    your little flag is so cute, doesn't it symbolise racism or something?
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    Howard

    "However the Confederate flag(s) are all relics from a time when Southern States seceded and started a war that killed thousands of people. The war was over slavery. And we can't remove the history of slavery and institutional racism from that flag. After all it was a battle flag used by the side who fought for slavery."



    apparently when people see this flag it means, "redneck, so run."

    It really does, don't bother lying ok :facepalm2:

    but someone like you voting for Trump says a LOT.
 
 
 
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