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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)




    You’re in danger of becoming part of the 'triggered' pariah brigade, peach. This is the living definition of the term ‘kill joy’

    Yet you idolise Lawrence of Arabia, who was arguably the biggest, and certainly the most iconic, Arab ‘cultural appropriator’ in human history:mute:

    So you’ve culturally appropriated North African culture and heritage yourself. Awkward

    Who is an over-simplified/culturally insensitively romanticised/sexualised embodiment of Disney (white, Western) cultural appropriation :facepalm2:

    Ok, so only fuglies/people out of the media spotlight are allowed to culturally appropriate? :lolwut:

    That’s to do with the problem of misogynistic Arab culture, and nothing to do with appropriation

    So people aren’t allowed to dress up in anything other than attire traditionally conceived of as emanating exclusively from the West, for fear of stimulating orientalist fetishes? This just gets more and more bizarre. Have you any filter on anything you are saying dear?

    Furthermore, lucky for me I am a dominant, commanding, and addictive neosexual, not to mention cogent and erudite; ergo, you’ll dress however I desire, not to mention observe the rationality of, and value in, my position et. argumentation :top2:

    Then you don’t understand satire. In your world classic comedy like Monty Python would be outlawed. I don’t want to live in such a world, and neither does the vast majority of the rest of the free world, sorry

    You still haven’t answered my question: why should culture get special protected status against replication, imitation, and satire?
    if it means protecting minorities cultures from being exploited,then so be

    Yes, Lawrence of Arabia was culturally appropriating Arab culture for sure,but was he intentionally mocking us? and I don't idolise him,I admire his character.

    Sure,but I was only a teen back then and none the wiser about these issues. I would like to think of her as a middle eastern character,being based in north Africa

    Princess jasmine is a princess of Arabia(As Disney depicts her) and the theme of the party was Arabian nights and I am an Arab,Therefore is it really cultural appropriation? I think not. I think the way they depict her character is distasteful and an insult to our culture,Frankly.
    okay you say it's got to do with the Arab misogynistic culture thing(which i don't believe) but what about the whole calling foreign women from countries like the middle east or south America 'exotic'? racial fetishisation.

    Nope. I haven't said that.

    for Fear of accidentally or intentionally ridiculing or exploiting said culture. Nope,but this s what cultural appropriation is all about,no need for a filter,I know it seems so bizarre,I was like okay at first but then I understood what these people were trying to get at.

    and If i choose to dress however i desire?:giggle::lolwut::zomg:

    Nor do I want to Live in that world too

    That's not the case tho,is it?Because i don't think anything positive comes out from doing so?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I'm going to check out king's college London safe spaces and see what they're like. I'm glad my uni has safe spaces for vunerable students who have been affected by cultural appropriation
    I find it very hard to take you seriously sometimes, QB. :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    I find it very hard to take your seriously sometimes, QB. :facepalm2:
    wallah I'm serious. I want to find out why people feel the way they do? what's wrong with that
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    wallah I'm serious. I want to find out why people feel the way they do? what's wrong with that
    Surely you can see why this whole 'cultural appropriation' thing is nonsense?
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Surely you can see why this whole 'cultural appropriation' thing is nonsense?
    At first yes but then i got to understand it abit more and realise why it's upsetting
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    At first yes but then i got to understand it abit more and realise why it's upsetting
    And why does it matter that it's 'upsetting?' Assuming (wrongly), of course, that these people are upset not by choice but by a genuine, perceived injustice. Universities are not playgrounds, and anybody who wishes them to be ought to be told to take a break until they're ready to act like grown-ups.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    At first yes but then i got to understand it abit more and realise why it's upsetting
    Pray tell, I'm always interested in learning new things
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    And why does it matter that it's 'upsetting?' Assuming (wrongly), of course, that these people are upset not by choice but by a genuine, perceived injustice. Universities are not playgrounds, and anybody who wishes them to be ought to be told to take a break until they're ready to act like grown-ups.
    Maybe that's the same question we should be asking the universities who have felt the need to create such 'safe spaces'?
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    (Original post by zetamcfc)
    Pray tell, I'm always interested in learning new things
    check out the entire thread, you'll get an understanding. in short exploitation of other people's culture,especially minority cultures by the majority culture
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Maybe that's the same question we should be asking the universities who have felt the need to create such 'safe spaces'?
    Universities are definitely to blame, yes. But they didn't just dream this up on their own; it's a capitulation to the demands of people who went to university for the wrong reasons. The universities deserve criticism for capitulating, but that doesn't absolve the students who are the source of this nonsense.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Universities are definitely to blame, yes. But they didn't just dream this up on their own; it's a capitulation to the demands of people who went to university for the wrong reasons. The universities deserve criticism for capitulating, but that doesn't absolve the students who are the source of this nonsense.
    well ,isn't is obvious that the universities care about the emotional and mental welfare of their students?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    well ,isn't is obvious that the universities care about the emotional and mental welfare of their students?
    To clarify, I don't oppose 'safe spaces' for those with mental health issues.

    As for emotional welfare -- tough. The universities concerned need to get their priorities right. They are first and foremost institutions of learning and intellectual progress. Giving in to people who claim the right not to be offended is not why they exist. Universities are not playgrounds, and it's a sad development that some universities don't seem to mind turning into playgrounds for immature individuals clinging to their sheltered childhoods at the expense of their peers and of the university that they chose to attend (at a substantial cost to both themselves and to the taxpayer).
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Ridicule is an absolutely awful way of making someone change their perspective. It's much more likely to make them even more confident in their own beliefs and it's a very petty strategy that requires no intelligence or maturity to pull off. If you think ridicule is an effective debating strategy then I think you need a bit of a lesson in persuasion...
    Seconded.

    I think satire is an effective way of holding a mirror up which can highlight hypocrisy and make people think but active ridicule really does the opposite.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    To clarify, I don't oppose 'safe spaces' for those with mental health issues.

    As for emotional welfare -- tough. The universities concerned need to get their priorities right. They are first and foremost institutions of learning and intellectual progress. Giving in to people who claim the right not to be offended is not why they exist. Universities are not playgrounds, and it's a sad development that some universities don't seem to mind turning into playgrounds for immature individuals clinging to their sheltered childhoods at the expense of their peers and of the university that they chose to attend (at a substantial cost to both themselves and to the taxpayer).
    university is more than just an institution of learning. It's about Learning and experiencing new things and there should be safe guards in place to stop silly and hateful things from happening and causing mental and emotional disturbances. You can't just tell these people to shrug it off,doesn't make the problem go away
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Arab Jews still exist. They are Arabs who practice Judaism. They do not identify as Israelis but rather Arabs and anyway there's a lot more to it.
    Arab Jews means Arab Jews, not Arabs. Judaism is practiced only by Jews, because Judaism is national Jewish religion:
    "Judaism ( ... the distinctive characteristics of the Judean ethnos)[3] encompasses the religion, philosophy, culture and way of life of the Jewish people".
    I'm just trying kindly explain you that Jews are not Arabs and Arabs are not Jews. I hope that eventually you will be able to understand this complicated academic fact.
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    I don't even believe in cultural appropriation with the exception of intentions to offend or degrade.
    Surely participating in another culture in a positive way (e.g wearing a kimono because you think it's beautiful) is just promoting the culture. I think it's just about learning about the world around us, just like eating different foods or learning about cultural behaviors. Without this, we would just be ignorant.
    Also, can't help but see people think that only white people can commit appropriation because they are a "majority" (lol) when I see no black/Asian/non-white person being told not to wear jeans or converses because they are appropriating. It's almost like people think that white people have no culture... oh wait.
    p.s when I say white people I mean Europeans or decedents of Europeans e.g. Americans, Australians, etc.
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    (Original post by admonit)
    Arab Jews means Arab Jews, not Arabs. Judaism is practiced only by Jews, because Judaism is national Jewish religion:
    "Judaism ( ... the distinctive characteristics of the Judean ethnos)[3] encompasses the religion, philosophy, culture and way of life of the Jewish people".
    I'm just trying kindly explain you that Jews are not Arabs and Arabs are not Jews. I hope that eventually you will be able to understand this complicated academic fact.
    :hat2:
    But an Arab isn't a religion?They're just a person from the middle east region so why can't there be Arab Jews?so,if they identify as Arab Jews,we have no right to tell them what they can't be.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    university is more than just an institution of learning. It's about Learning and experiencing new things and there should be safe guards in place to stop silly and hateful things from happening and causing mental and emotional disturbances. You can't just tell these people to shrug it off,doesn't make the problem go away
    PRSOM.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    You can't just tell these people to shrug it off
    I can, and that's my proposed solution for any of these posers that isn't willing to take a break/drop out.

    university is more than just an institution of learning. It's about Learning and experiencing new things and there should be safe guards in place to stop silly and hateful things from happening and causing mental and emotional disturbances.
    And these 'cultural appropriation' protesters are opposed to that -- they don't want to experience new things that they don't agree with, to the extent that they're willing to disrupt other students' time at university. It's clear to anybody with any sense that they self-victimise themselves to get what they want, not because they're actually being subjected to any injustice.

    I also think that you're confusing this issue with bullying, for which safeguards already exist. Make no mistake about it -- there aren't any victims and oppressors here. They deliberately portray it this way to get sympathy for their bulls--t cause.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    I can, and that's my proposed solution for any of these posers that isn't willing to take a break/drop out.



    And these 'cultural appropriation' protesters are opposed to that -- they don't want to experience new things that they don't agree with, to the extent that they're willing to disrupt other students' time at university. It's clear to anybody with any sense that they self-victimise themselves to get what they want, not because they're actually being subjected to any injustice.

    I also think that you're confusing this issue with bullying, for which safeguards already exist. Make no mistake about it -- there aren't any victims and oppressors here. They deliberately portray it this way to get sympathy for their bulls--t cause.
    So because you haven't experienced such a thing or don't believe in it,That means it's irrelevant and that universities shouldn't bother catering the victims?
 
 
 
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