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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    As much as I enjoy your casual racism towards little bogmen like me, you've proved my point about people like me being marginalised.
    Nothing he said was racist. It's as if being a professional victim is part of your identity.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Does it harm anyone? No. Therefore it doesn't fit your definition of bad appropriation.

    I am actually a minority in the UK.

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    No,it doesn't but you're exploiting Italians

    Yes,you've said before. Where are you from exactly?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    No,it doesn't but you're exploiting Italians

    Yes,you've said before. Where are you from exactly?
    How is it exploiting Italians? The pizza wasn't made there and they are going to hold the Palio regardless of me.

    Ireland.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    How is it exploiting Italians? The pizza wasn't made there and they are going to hold the Palio regardless of me.

    Ireland.

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    But it's an Italian dish? And also why do you feel the need to bet on horses in Italy when you have the same thing here within the UK? Ascot?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Would that be appropriate? If I did it the SJW wowsers might try to insist I propitiate them and stay away from the fancy dress party. I might then use inappropriate language.
    We shall make a safe space readily available for him if he requires it
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I don't think modern day greek and Macedonians do such a thing and I am an only child
    Cleopatra was not a modern-day Macedonian-Greek-Egyptian. Have you studied history? Her cultural practices differed wildly from those practised in the same region today. It follows that you are not of her culture, even if you claim to be similar to modern Greeks is true.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Cleopatra was not a modern-day Macedonian-Greek-Egyptian. Have you studied history? Her cultural practices differed wildly from those practised in the same region today. It follows that you are not of her culture, even if you claim to be similar to modern Greeks is true.
    I know that but You can't expect cultures to remain the same,they are bound to change over time. I wasn't born in her era but I follow that of the modern Mediterranean culture
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Because I'm a minority living within British culture and I must be able to speak English for me to get by,get a good job or education. There is no need for you to be appropriating Levantine/Italian culture now is there?
    So if I move to Syria I would be able to dress as they do, and eat the same food, because I would be a minority living within their culture?

    It follows, then, that the only thing making my use of Levantine culture unacceptable is my location. Don't you find that odd?

    Presumably, when you move back to Italy, you would feel free to carry on watching British and American TV programmes, while there. Yet your location and status as no longer being in a minority will mean this is unacceptable. How do you feel about that?

    Are you happy with the logic of this?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I know that but You can't expect cultures to remain the same,they are bound to change over time. I wasn't born in her era but I follow that of the modern Mediterranean culture
    OK, so you are not of her culture, like me. Yet you are allowed to appropriate her culture and I am not. Neither of us live where she lives, neither of us has ever lived where she lived (rather than for holidays), yet you can dress up as her, and I can't appropriate her culture at all.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    So if I move to Syria I would be able to dress as they do, and eat the same food, because I would be a minority living within their culture?

    It follows, then, that the only thing making my use of Levantine culture unacceptable is my location. Don't you find that odd?

    Presumably, when you move back to Italy, you would feel free to carry on watching British and American TV programmes, while there. Yet your location and status as no longer being in a minority will mean this is unacceptable. How do you feel about that?

    Are you happy with the logic of this?
    If it's what is needed for you to get by within that country then sure,like learning the Arabic language not necessarily having to wear our traditional clothing because you don't have to

    Not really m,no

    I rarely watch British shows living within the UK,what makes you think I'll watch them once I'm in Italy. I usually prefer Arabic shows,soaps

    Yes I'm happy
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    As much as I enjoy your casual racism towards little bogmen like me, you've proved my point about people like me being marginalised.
    I'm still waiting for your reply on how I was racist.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    OK, so you are not of her culture, like me. Yet you are allowed to appropriate her culture and I am not. Neither of us live where she lives, neither of us has ever lived where she lived (rather than for holidays), yet you can dress up as her, and I can't appropriate her culture at all.
    Yes because neither you or your parents or ancestors are from that region. I've been to the levant that's my heritage which is the closest thing to what Macedonian Greek heritage
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I rarely watch British shows living within the UK,what makes you think I'll watch them once I'm in Italy. I usually prefer Arabic shows,soaps
    So you do appropriate British culture then, even if only occasionally. Is doing it occasionally OK, because I don't go to many fancy dress parties - that is very occasional, and using your example, seems fine.

    But you do appropriate Arabic culture, and we have already established that you are not Arabic and have never lived in an Arab country.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    But it's an Italian dish? And also why do you feel the need to bet on horses in Italy when you have the same thing here within the UK? Ascot?
    The pizza was not an original concept, in fact to took ideas from the nations around them, such as the Greeks and Persians.

    If you can't tell the difference between the Palio and Ascot then you need to get your eyes checked.

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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Yes because neither you or your parents or ancestors are from that region. I've been to the levant that's my heritage which is the closest thing to what Macedonian Greek heritage
    But you come from neither Macedon not Greece, nor even Egypt. None of these countries, anyway, have anything like the culture that Cleopatra lived in so that is a specious reason for appropriating her long-dead culture. This seems hypocritical to me, that you don't allow me to appropriate your culture but you are happy to steal a dead person's.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    The pizza was not an original concept, in fact to took ideas from the nations around them, such as the Greeks and Persians.

    If you can't tell the difference between the Palio and Ascot then you need to get your eyes checked.

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    But people associate pizza with Italy,not Greece

    There's a huge between palio di siena and what you guys have in the UK,but I don't see why you have to feel the need to appropriate Italian culture when you could bet on something like horse racing within the UK or football
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    But you come from neither Macedon not Greece, nor even Egypt. None of these countries, anyway, have anything like the culture that Cleopatra lived in so that is a specious reason for appropriating her long-dead culture. This seems hypocritical to me, that you don't allow me to appropriate your culture but you are happy to steal a dead person's.
    I come from the medittaranean. Do you know what's really interesting. The Arabs and medittaraneans eat similar foods,I guess cultures do tend to overlap.

    Why do you want to appropriate Levantine culture so bad?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    But people associate pizza with Italy,not Greece

    There's a huge between palio di siena and what you guys have in the UK,but I don't see why you have to feel the need to appropriate Italian culture when you could bet on something like horse racing within the UK or football
    Football. A British cultural artifact, codified by the British and wrongfully appropriated by Italians, Levantines, Greeks, Macedonians and Arabs. Can this be right?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I come from the medittaranean. Do you know what's really interesting. The Arabs and medittaraneans eat similar foods,I guess cultures do tend to overlap.

    Why do you want to appropriate Levantine culture so bad?
    They have been in one another's houses, stealing food, clothes and children for centuries, haven't they?

    I'm not going to stop eating olives.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    But people associate pizza with Italy,not Greece

    There's a huge between palio di siena and what you guys have in the UK,but I don't see why you have to feel the need to appropriate Italian culture when you could bet on something like horse racing within the UK or football
    Pizza is also associated with Chicago and New York.

    So watching a sport is appropriating it?

    Do you think before you type?

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