"Brexit would be a disaster for UK science"

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Stephen Hawking has backed the campaign for Britain to stay in the EU, saying Brexit would be a “disaster for UK science”.

A letter to the Times signed by more than 150 fellows of the Royal Society, including Hawking, says leaving the EU would hamper research in the UK, because many young scientists are recruited from Europe.

The scientists write: “We now recruit many of our best researchers from continental Europe, including younger ones who have obtained EU grants and have chosen to move with them here.

“Being able to attract and fund the most talented Europeans assures the future of British science and also encourages the best scientists elsewhere to come here.”

They also say increased funding from the EU has benefited the UK and science as a whole. They note the example of Switzerland, whichdespite paying in to the EU has limited access to funds and struggles toattract young talent because of freedom of movement restrictions.

“If the UK leaves the EU and there is a loss of freedom of movement of scientists between the UK and Europe, it will be a disaster for UK science and universities,” the letter says.

“Investment in science is as important for the long-term prosperity and security of the UK as investment in infrastructure projects, farming or manufacturing; and the free movement of scientists is as important for science as free trade is for market economics.”

The letter was organised by Sir Alan Fersht, a University ofCambridge professor who specialises in protein science.
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Leaving the EU won't have any consequence if the British government issues visas for scientists from the EU, and if it gives back to universities as much money as they got from the EU.
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Leaving the EU won't have any consequence if the British government issues visas for scientists from the EU, and if it gives back to universities as much money as they got from the EU.
That's a lot of "If's" for a government that has demonstrated an extremely hostile attitude towards academia.
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Britain leaving the EU would deiniately be an awful thing. The British seem to have an inflated sense of importance in the world... Well they think people see them as important. The empire is gone, you're not that powerful so just stay in the EU and stop embarrassing yourself UK. Its cringe
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That's a lot of "If's" for a government that has demonstrated an extremely hostile attitude towards academia.
Rather than predicting the apocalypse, these scientists would have been more useful if they had asked the government whether they will compensate the loss of EU grants with the money saved from the EU contribution.
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That's a lot of "If's" for a government that has demonstrated an extremely hostile attitude towards academia.
Moreover, the last Labour government caused much more damage to the attractiveness of British universities by restricting research council studentships given to EU students to simple fee-waivers. EU students have thus much more difficulties getting a full PhD studentship than before Gordon Brown.
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Moreover, the last Labour government caused much more damage to the attractiveness of British universities by restricting research council studentships given to EU students to simple fee-waivers. EU students have thus much more difficulties getting a full PhD studentship than before Gordon Brown.
This is not very relevant to the impact leaving the EU is going to have on UK science though.

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Rather than predicting the apocalypse, these scientists would have been more useful if they had asked the government whether they will compensate the loss of EU grants with the money saved from the EU contribution.
You don't think that some of the most eminent scientists in the UK have the sense to write a letter like this without good reason to think that they're right?
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You don't think that some of the most eminent scientists in the UK have the sense to write a letter like this without good reason to think that they're right?
Scientists are not immune to politics. While I would in appropriate circumstances be happy to take their word for it, it would still be nice if they would also publish any communication that they've had with the government that would verify their view that researchers from the rest of the EU would definitely be de-funded if the UK were to leave.

Although I would be surprised if they could produce this, given that the terms of a phased withdrawal haven't been negotiated yet. :beard:
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That's a lot of "If's" for a government that has demonstrated an extremely hostile attitude towards academia.
Not only can it fund everything the eu does currently it has another 175m a week to spend


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Leaving the EU won't have any consequence if the British government issues visas for scientists from the EU, and if it gives back to universities as much money as they got from the EU.
Which they most likely won't.
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Which they most likely won't.
How do you know?
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We all work or study in universities. As a postgrad I will tell you right now that academics are even more selfish and egotistical if you have to work with them than they are in lectures.

The academics who signed that letter dont give a f**k for anyone but themselves. It is not only hard to get a good postgrad placement in the UK because the whole world speaks English, but it is really difficult to get work in the UK after your doctorate.

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Lets be clear, this letter is not about the good of the country, it is a pre-arranged part of the pro-EU, scaremongering "Letter" campaign run by the Government. Free movement in science has got little to do with the EU, most postgrads (the ones who do the work) are non-EU, as are the students at all levels of tertiary education:

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Breaking news! Experts predict Brexit will cause black hole to appear in Yorkshire and devour the entire UK!!
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The US imports its scientists from all over the world. It grants them work visas. Is it beyond the wit of the British to set up such a scheme? Surely not!

Everything's "a disaster" for you guys. Everything is just "too hard" and "can't be done" What a nation of drama queens - no wonder you lost your empire.
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Breaking news! Experts predict Brexit will cause black hole to appear in Yorkshire and devour the entire UK!!
The impact of Britain's exit cannot be over-estimated; top economists are now foreseeing a complete collapse of all inter-galactic trading agreements.
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You don't think that some of the most eminent scientists in the UK have the sense to write a letter like this without good reason to think that they're right?
No. I need proof.
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The US imports its scientists from all over the world. It grants them work visas. Is it beyond the wit of the British to set up such a scheme? Surely not!

Everything's "a disaster" for you guys. Everything is just "too hard" and "can't be done" What a nation of drama queens - no wonder you lost your empire.
It was never my empire matey. You yanks live in a nasty dream world.
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Leaving the EU won't have any consequence if the British government issues visas for scientists from the EU, and if it gives back to universities as much money as they got from the EU.
And where is this money going to come from, pray tell?

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And where is this money going to come from, pray tell?

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From the EU contribution that the UK will not have to pay.
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Actually freedom of movement does help out a lot in facilitating the extension of relationships between researchers in different countries. Also, the current visa arrangements are extremely inefficient even being within the EU. The system is swamped by delays and even if you submit everything on time there's a risk it gets sent back because an overzealous government worker thought he was playing 'Papers, Please'.
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