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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    I understand it isn't based on racism, but the idea that one race should be given preference to fill a quota is racist. It should be based on merit rather than race
    No you don't. You just said it is racist :rolleyes:

    It gets called positive discrimination, it;s not racist discrimination. It;s the same with quotas for women with regards to sexism. The idea behind implementing the quote is not based on racism or sexism.

    The people who support positive discrimination do not do so because they think black people are superior to white people. They think society is racist towards black people so to combat that and change attitudes systems need to be out in place to force a more even distribution of black people in certain segments of society in order to change attitudes so regulation is no longer needed or to enforce equality indefinitely. It isn't motivated by racist views so therefore it is not racist. Same with women quotas and sexism.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    If that quota is there based on the idea of combating racism against black people then that it isn't racist, even if it is misguided. It gets called positive discrimination, it;s not racist discrimination. It;s the same with quotas for women with regards to sexism. The idea behind implementing the quote is not based on racism or sexism.
    Don't you think having a quota is still ridiculous? Quota basically means a limit. It should just be fair. Why do people even have to check off their race?
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I am well aware that there were Europeans who were enslaved, but googling the Barbary Slave Trade does not prove that more of them were enslaved by Muslims that Africans were.
    There are very few figures to support the argument! Estimates for both estimate wildly!
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    One might say it's racist to even ask this question, maybe not lel.

    But, you can be racist to anyone!
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    There are very few figures to support the argument! Estimates for both estimate wildly!
    If that's the case then don't make unsupported claims, simple as.
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    (Original post by olookhamafe)
    the thing is though, they enslaved them for mostly religious reasons not because they had lighter skin than them 'therefore making them inferior'
    Does it really make much difference? They certainly viewed Christians as an inferior group of people, and lets not forget we are talking about an era were religious identity was pretty much as non-negotiable as your ethnic identity (unless you fancied facing severe persecution and ostracism from your fellow Christian countrymen).

    Also, Europeans took African slaves, one because chattal slavery had been outlawed within Europe (though the rules were often bent, because many whites, especially the Irish, did end up enslaved in the Americas), and two because Africans were simply the most convenient source. There was already a long established and efficient slave trade within Africa and it was an easy trade route between West Africa and the Americas. It had little if anything to do with any kind of white supremacist, black inferiority notions, all that stuff came about later to justify the continuation of slavery around the time abolitionism was starting to gain momentum.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    No you don't. You just said it is racist :rolleyes:

    It gets called positive discrimination, it;s not racist discrimination. It;s the same with quotas for women with regards to sexism. The idea behind implementing the quote is not based on racism or sexism.
    Actaully, I think you need to re-read what I said.

    You don't get it do you?! If I was choosing a football team and I chose all arab players over black players then that would be racist, because I am segregating based on race!
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    If that's the case then don't make unsupported claims, simple as.
    I didn't, the figure for the Barbary slave trade are HIGHER than the Arab-African ones!
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    Tbh a lot of black people believe this. So stupid. They think you can't be racist to someone if your oppressed blah blah blah.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    I didn't say that was an example of positive discrimination, your argument seemed to be on the basis that discrimination = bad, which I tried to show you is not necessarily the case.
    For someone who tells others to go back and read, you should take your own advice.

    I said positive discrimination is bad.
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    (Original post by goldbangles)
    Don't you think having a quota is still ridiculous? Quota basically means a limit. It should just be fair. Why do people even have to check off their race?
    Do quotas based on race even exist anywhere?

    This idea is much more prominent with regards to gender.

    I can see the reasoning behind quotas but I don't think they are always good. I also think, with regards to feminism especially, they miss the point a lot. There are legit reasons why there may be less women in high up places in society than men that are not down to sexism but then tehre are also reaosns why sexism is stopping women from moving upwards as well. Also focusing on getting more women as CEOs whilst ignoring other issues that effect women like benefit cuts (aka The Women Party) miss the point. I'm not really for or against positive discrimination. I'm on the fence.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    That's great but socially, POC aren't treated the same as us white people.
    In some areas, maybe. But in employment it is illegal to do so!
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    I didn't, the figure for the Barbary slave trade are HIGHER than the Arab-African ones!
    So long as you are not providing evidence for these numbers your claims are unsupported. Telling me to Google the Barbary Slave Trade does not count as evidence.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Do quotas based on race even exist anywhere?

    This idea is much more prominent with regards to gender.
    Apparently it is mostly illegal but many companies use it
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Do quotas based on race even exist anywhere?

    This idea is much more prominent with regards to gender.
    I'm talking about the quota as far as affirmative action and how many black people to hire or let go to a certain school...the context in which you and Nero were discussing.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    So long as you are not providing evidence for these numbers your claims are unsupported. Telling me to Google the Barbary Slave Trade does not count as evidence.
    If you googled it then you would see it! Why don't you try it, or are you scared of being wrong?
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    (Original post by goldbangles)
    I'm talking about the quota as far as affirmative action and how many black people to hire or let go to a certain school...the context in which you and Nero were discussing.
    I can see the reasoning behind quotas but I don't think they are always good. I also think, with regards to feminism especially, they miss the point a lot. There are legit reasons why there may be less women in high up places in society than men that are not down to sexism but then tehre are also reaosns why sexism is stopping women from moving upwards as well. Also focusing on getting more women as CEOs whilst ignoring other issues that effect women like benefit cuts (aka The Women Party) miss the point. I'm not really for or against positive discrimination. I'm on the fence.
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    If you googled it then you would see it! Why don't you try it, or are you scared of being wrong?
    That statement not good enough, as I was already aware of this particular slave trade. I want evidence from reliable sources showing the clear numbers of Europeans enslaved by Muslims in contrast with the number of Africans enslaved by Muslims. As someone with a Master's degree you should know how important it is to support your statements.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Being illegal hasn't stopped anyone.

    Our prisons are full of people who've done things that are illegal.
    Of course!

    As much as I would like to think that comapanies don't deploy racism, it may or may not be the case. There isn't any real proof either way
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    That statement not good enough, as I was already aware of this particular slave trade. I want evidence from reliable sources showing the clear numbers of Europeans enslaved by Muslims in contrast with the number of Africans enslaved by Muslims. As someone with a Master's degree you should know how important it is to support your statements.
    Why should I be the one with the burden of truth? You were the one who refuted my statement!
 
 
 
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