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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    There are certainly neo-con parallels between Cameron’s ‘modern conservatives’ and Blair's third-way ‘New Labour’, but traditionalist Tories (who grow more conservative by the day) and Corbynite Labour movement (who grow more Socialist by the day) are further apart today than they have been for a generation

    News to me. Source: met dozens of party activists, and spoke to scores of supporters, at the 2015 election. Many are a lot more savy than that

    That would be extremely foolish/not in the national interest, cretinous as some Tories may be

    Yup. I told him you’d taught me a few words

    A little surprised, particularly at the fact I can pronounce them somewhat authentically, if not quite shocked! :mmm:

    Yet he believes we should establish back channels to negotiate with ISIS. Principled?

    Yet he accepts an 85% pay rise, a six figure salary, and an official car funded by the tax payer (having refused to interview in a car pre-leadership for environmental reasons) - money that could go towards providing for a number of far less privileged people in our society. Principled?

    Yet he refuses to intervene/discipline/condemn young political activists, enthused and buoyed by his coming, when they abuse, threaten, egg and assault delegates from other political parties (as they did at the Conservative Party conference). Principled?

    Yet he refers to terror organisations – with appalling records on human rights violations – such as Hamas and Hezbollah, as his friends. Principled?

    He is sincerely an ideologue, this is true, but this does not make for a great man, never mind a great political leader, let along an appropriate person to lead the country
    :laugh: he's proud of your bilingual nature

    I can see where you're coming from,I don't agree with the whole shaking hands between Hamas and Corbyn thing. He's not perfect but for some,he's better and understand average people a lot more than the conservatives
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    :laugh: he's proud of your bilingual nature
    Not sure if proud is quite the right word either, but I expect he's pleased I am maintaining broad horizons, in spite of the decline of the image of the ME, and debasement of Arabic culture, in the eyes of much of TROTW in recent years

    I can see where you're coming from
    Good. As I've said, thank God you have the benefit of the truth/balance that uncle Foobert brings to your otherwise somewhat limited 'informational [news] sources' eh!

    He's not perfect but for some, he's better and understand average people a lot more than the conservatives
    Indeed so, and on some levels they're right to hold that view, albeit that, in general, he would be a total disaster as PM
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    "best of the worst" option, usually
    I mean, you'd essentially be arguing that people shouldn't vote in the first place otherwise.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Not sure if proud is quite the right word either, but I expect he's pleased I am maintaining broad horizons, in spite of the decline of the image of the ME, and debasement of Arabic culture, in the eyes of much of TROTW in recent years

    Good. As I've said, thank God you have the benefit of the truth/balance that uncle Foobert brings to your otherwise somewhat limited 'informational [news] sources' eh!

    Indeed so, and on some levels they're right to hold that view, albeit that, in general, he would be a total disaster as PM
    Hmmm,Let's hope they also keep an open mind,like yourself

    hahah, My news sources are not all that limited! but the help is much appreciated

    yes but he understand the people,we haven't given Corbyn a chance yet,so,we cant know for sure
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    the help is much appreciated
    :top2:

    we haven't given Corbyn a chance yet,so,we cant know for sure
    Yes, yes we can dear.. (just see his public pronouncements on whether he'd push the nuclear button for a kick off) :rolleyes:
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    I would vote Con because all socialists want to do is to take my hard earned money and give it to those who are too feckless to work (deserving cases excepted). I am not in the business of working all my life so that others can luxuriate in state funded homes, given spends,and breeding with no moral or financial hazard.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Because, honestly, i think they are doing a fantastic job- unemployment is down, the deficit is down, infrastructure is being improved, minimum wage is being increased. Benefits have been capped to encourage more people to work. They are giving us an EU referendum (unlike Labour). They are committed to maintaining a nuclear deterrent to keep us safe. They are also damaging ISIS and other terrorist groups through air strikes and by taking a no-nonsense approach to tackling radicalisation. They are providing a 7-day NHS to ensure that we have a high-quality healthcare system. They are improving educational opportunities and expanding apprenticeships.

    All of those things are pretty good achievements considering the mess we were in under Labour. some things we still need to address are pay for junior doctors, the shortage of teachers and their pay and providing developers better subsidies for building new homes.

    Because people can't see the truth, the Tories are good liars. We will not get a "7 day NHS" we will get overworked and exhausted junior doctors who are not safe to treat patients. Then the NHS will be privatised because it's "failing". Oh wait - that's happening already. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6923126.html

    The economy is is a mess because money has been taken from the poor - who spend it in the local economy on things like food and rent - to the rich who spend more of their money abroad. A partially sighted amputee can't get disability benefit now, God help you if you have an accident http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/...lity-benefits/

    Employment is "increased" because we have more people on zero hours contracts http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...racts-up-by-19

    Council housing has been, and continues to be, sold so that there is no downward pressure on rents https://england.shelter.org.uk/profe..._home_sell-off

    Economic inequaliy continues to increase https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sca...-inequality-uk

    UK national debt has increased massively http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/33...national-debt/ because this government's economic policies do not work. Eventually their lies about the economy will become obvious but you can fool most people for a long time
 
 
 
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