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    This is exactly why America wants Trump. It seems this generation has never had to understand freedom of speech. Left wing Fascists are everywhere in the UK and US censoring silencing and resorting to violence instead of fair honest open debate and exchange of ideas.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I doubt a centrist voter would want to get physically violent over Trump...

    He was trying to sound like an anti-fascist
    Who?

    I just watched that.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ence-and-chaos

    Bandying around words like fascist or anti-fascist to such and extent is rather meaningless. When I think of anti-fascist I think of someone who is clued up on political theory to some degree like a socialist worker type who then is an atavist or goes on street marchers specially with the intention of protesting against a perceived fascism and in the defence of an ideology like socialism. Most people are not like that or consciencly aware enough of politics to be so.

    You do not need to self identity as communist and being against fascism to be riled up by what you see as racism and go on protests over it. But you could ask most people now if they are against fascism and they would say yes. Does that make them anti-fascists?

    I wouldn't call the trump supporters fascists or these protesters antifascist. There will be both in both sides but you can wash over each side as either. Sure a fascist could use them to further fascists aims or a communist could whip up support from another group of people. But most people are neither and mindlessly referring to everything as fascist or anti-fascist is stupid, especially when it is being used a swear word.
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    So for all Trumps rhetoric about violence, when its right up in his face he doesn't like it.

    What a surprise.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    So for all Trumps rhetoric about violence, when its right up in his face he doesn't like it.

    What a surprise.
    What exactly did you want him to do? Whip out a pistol and start picking people of? You need to get real.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    This is exactly why America wants Trump. It seems this generation has never had to understand freedom of speech. Left wing Fascists are everywhere in the UK and US censoring silencing and resorting to violence instead of fair honest open debate and exchange of ideas.
    Exactly right. Liberty and free speech hasn't been under such attack for generations. What is ironic is that the threat doesn't come from external foreign despots; it comes from our own college campuses.

    If you want to see fascism in action go to an ANTIFA meeting.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    We have a proud history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street



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    The anti-fascist groups built roadblocks in an attempt to prevent the march from taking place. The barricades were constructed near the junction with Christian Street, towards the west end of this long street. An estimated 100,000 anti-fascist demonstrators turned out, and were met by 6,000 police, who attempted to clear the road to permit the march of 2,000-3,000 fascists to proceed.[2] The demonstrators fought back with sticks, rocks, chair legs and other improvised weapons. Rubbish, rotten vegetables and the contents of chamber pots were thrown at the police by women in houses along the street. After a series of running battles, Mosley agreed to abandon the march to prevent bloodshed. The BUF marchers were dispersed towards Hyde Park instead while the anti-fascists rioted with police. About 150 demonstrators were arrested, although some escaped with the help of other demonstrators. Several members of the police were kidnapped by demonstrators. Around 175 people were injured including police, women and children.
    We are loosing touch to be honest.
    I like how you use "we". Any involvement yourself or are you just an armchair revolutionary?
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    These Bernie supporting left wingers hate democracy and free speech. Funny how they shut down a rally and say that Trump supporters are the fascists.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    These Bernie supporting left wingers hate democracy and free speech. Funny how they shut down a rally and say that Trump supporters are the fascists.
    "When you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence," Texas Senator Cruz said, "you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."

    These latest clashes come just a day after a Trump supporter was charged with assault after multiple videos showed him punching a protester at a campaign rally in North Carolina.The billionaire later said that the supporter's actions were "appropriate".

    That, my deluded friend, is fascism.
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    I did enjoy the BBC's totally unbiased honest report.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    "When you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence," Texas Senator Cruz said, "you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."

    These latest clashes come just a day after a Trump supporter was charged with assault after multiple videos showed him punching a protester at a campaign rally in North Carolina.The billionaire later said that the supporter's actions were "appropriate".

    That, my deluded friend, is fascism.
    I'd agree that's just as bad, but my point was that these Bernie supporters are complete hypocrites.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    "When you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence," Texas Senator Cruz said, "you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."

    These latest clashes come just a day after a Trump supporter was charged with assault after multiple videos showed him punching a protester at a campaign rally in North Carolina.The billionaire later said that the supporter's actions were "appropriate".

    That, my deluded friend, is fascism.
    No, Fascism is different. Trump is a populist, not a fascist.
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    There's no point him campaigning in Chicago anyway. Chicago is 35% black and 8% other minorities. Broadly speaking, minorities will not vote for Trump.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    No, Fascism is different. Trump is a populist, not a fascist.
    How is fascism different?
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    How is fascism different?
    Can you not tell the difference between Mussolini and Trump? Between populism and fascism?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Can you not tell the difference between Mussolini and Trump? Between populism and fascism?
    No, I can't. Can you please explain to me how what Trump says is not fascism please.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    How is fascism different?
    He doesn't want to abolish democracy, create state-controlled corporations to lead the economy, or transform the education system into youth organisations controlled by his party.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    No, I can't. Can you please explain to me how what Trump says is not fascism please.
    No. I don't have time to school you.

    Simply get a dictionary and look up the word fascism, consider some of the central tenets you read about (nationalism, totalitarianism, economic etc) and then explain to me why and how you think Trump fits in within what you've just read. Then do the same thing with populism. Look the word up and think of Trump in the terms of what that word means.

    I'm sure, once you've done that, you'll agree that Trump is a populist but not a fascist.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    He doesn't want to abolish democracy, create state-controlled corporations to lead the economy, or transform the education system into youth organisations controlled by his party.
    Exactly right. Trump's platform is simply devoid of practically all of the central tenets of fascism.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    That, my deluded friend, is fascism.
    Aren't you an Erdogan supporter? :laugh:
 
 
 
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