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MHoC By-election March 2016: VOTE HERE! Watch

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I disagree. All you have to do is take one of the things you pledged when you guys were formed and write a bill or even just a motion on it. Airmed and nebelbon can help you guys with formatting and then second it.
    Well, alright. :dontknow: I think I've adequately answered the question of why we've been inactive, given the circumstances. If you think it's a trivial matter to write legislation in our situation then, well, I disagree.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I was really commenting on the paint skills. The *clap*...I can't stop laughing. :laugh:

    But faur enough, thanks for an explanation.
    That was funny


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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Not too many previous Speakers walking about these days but if you'd like the opinion of a current Speaker I have no problem with The Financier's signature.
    I still maintain that given the fact that PM's are banned and asking people to vote are banned having that wig should be banned.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Not too many previous Speakers walking about these days but if you'd like the opinion of a current Speaker I have no problem with The Financier's signature.
    Could you please outline the limits? Am I permitted to use an in-post signature requesting votes to circumvent the option to turn off signatures? Am I permitted to start threads in D&CA with the purpose of canvassing support? Am I permitted to send public messages to individuals to canvas votes? There needs to be a line somewhere IMO.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I still maintain that given the fact that PM's are banned and asking people to vote are banned having that wig should be banned.
    I refer you to my reply. Signatures are very non-intrusive and the precedent set would mean that every member here would need to remove party affiliation from their signatures during the general election, something which has not happened afaik and with no concerns brought about in the last few general elections. Comparing them to a PM or a canvassing thread is not appropriate imo.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I still maintain that given the fact that PM's are banned and asking people to vote are banned having that wig should be banned.
    Perhaps it should be banned (I don't see why it should be though) but by my understanding it isn't banned. PM's are understandably intrusive. A signature has to be actively viewed.

    In fact I would say that to push the wording of the GD to include signatures is not in the spirit of those rules. If signatures were meant to be included then they would be.
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    We had a new member of the party who was very eager to be an MP. I am more than happy to give my safe seat so that newcomers can participate as an MP from day one (I did something similar over Christmas), and am consequently happy to take the risk of the by-election.
    The Tories are playing the game – I admire the tactics.

    Out of interest, why haven't Labour submitted a candidate?
    Unfortunately nobody was forthcoming who wished to stand.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Not too many previous Speakers walking about these days but if you'd like the opinion of a current Speaker I have no problem with The Financier's signature.
    As far as I'm aware, signatures are fine, unsolicited PMs are not, though party PMs (i.e. PMs to party members) are allowed. The use of threads for canvassing support I've not come across before apart from in the case of Addzter who used the backroom chat box to canvass I believe and no issue was raised with that. I suppose it all comes down to whether DCA mods want several threads about this by-election in the main forum.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I made a little jibe about the familiarity of this manifesto. Though I'd prefer to see original manifestos in by-elections I have seen several examples of candidates in past by-elections putting forward what would appear to be impersonal party-based manifestos.
    Could you please point them out (if you already know the threads, otherwise don't bother)?

    In any case, if they can protest against The Financier's use of a banner in his personal signature, we would like to protest against their use of a party manifesto in a by-election. I just think it's misleading and goes against the basic principles of by-elections, which is to have individual candidates running for themselves, optionally with party endorsement, especially in the light of Gladiator12345's zero activity and events preceding his candidacy as demonstrated on previous pages of this thread.

    They said to him: “All you have to do is vote on Bills submitted by other MPs in the MHoC.”

    They want a seat with a voting robot, not a new active member of the House! This is what's against the spirit of the House and everything we're trying to achieve here!
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Could you please outline the limits? Am I permitted to use an in-post signature requesting votes to circumvent the option to turn off signatures? Am I permitted to start threads in D&CA with the purpose of canvassing support? Am I permitted to send public messages to individuals to canvas votes? There needs to be a line somewhere IMO.
    An 'in-post signature'? If you're suggesting posting 'Vote X party' in the same way that a certain MP posts 'DRINK!' then it would not be against the rules. If you posted in D&CA then the moderators might feel you were spamming and that might be problematic for you. Public messages are an interesting one, I personally think it would be inappropriate.

    The fact that 'the line' isn't where you think it should be doesn't mean there isn't one, thus I resent that last sentence of your post.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Could you please point them out (if you already know the threads, otherwise don't bother)?

    In any case, if they can protest against The Financier's use of a banner in his personal signature, we would like to protest against their use of a party manifesto in a by-election. I just think it's misleading and goes against the basic principles of by-elections, which is to have individual candidates running for themselves, optionally with party endorsement, especially in the light of Gladiator12345's zero activity and events preceding his candidacy as demonstrated on previous pages of this thread.

    They said to him: “All you have to do is vote on Bills submitted by other MPs in the MHoC.”

    They want a seat with a voting robot, not a new active member of the House! This is what's against the spirit of the House and everything we're trying to achieve here!
    By-election II definitely had the sort of manifestos I'm talking about. There have only been 5 previous so it's not to hard to check them.

    I understand your concerns but they don't warrant a disqualification.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I was really commenting on the paint skills. The *clap*...I can't stop laughing. :laugh:

    But faur enough, thanks for an explanation.
    If you'd like to buy me a graphics tablet, I'll happily send my account number.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    An 'in-post signature'? If you're suggesting posting 'Vote X party' in the same way that a certain MP posts 'DRINK!' then it would not be against the rules. If you posted in D&CA then the moderators might feel you were spamming and that might be problematic for you. Public messages are an interesting one, I personally think it would be inappropriate.

    The fact that 'the line' isn't where you think it should be doesn't mean there isn't one, thus I resent that last sentence of your post.
    What I mean is the question of where the line is isn't a matter for your discretion IMO; the Speaker's job is a case of textual interpretation, both direct and implicit, and I don't think there's a justification for the place you've drawn the line in the GD.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Perhaps it should be banned (I don't see why it should be though) but by my understanding it isn't banned. PM's are understandably intrusive. A signature has to be actively viewed.

    In fact I would say that to push the wording of the GD to include signatures is not in the spirit of those rules. If signatures were meant to be included then they would be.
    A sig can just be seen as being part of a post.

    And for all we know signs didn't exist when that rule was made so it wasn't an issue. Would you take a stance against someone going around the site posting 'vote tory' or 'vote labour' everywhere?
    (Original post by The Financier)
    I refer you to my reply. Signatures are very non-intrusive and the precedent set would mean that every member here would need to remove party affiliation from their signatures during the general election, something which has not happened afaik and with no concerns brought about in the last few general elections. Comparing them to a PM or a canvassing thread is not appropriate imo.
    It is exactly the same as canvassing IMO. And people wouldn't need to remove affiliations just couldn't mention it.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    By-election II definitely had the sort of manifestos I'm talking about. There have only been 5 previous so it's not to hard to check them.

    I understand your concerns but they don't warrant a disqualification.
    Okay, thanks for now. :yy:
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    If you'd like to buy me a graphics tablet, I'll happily send my account number.
    What about setting up a Gofundme page? We can chip in and get it crowdfunded.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Seeing as we're not standing a candidate......

    I have a newfound love for you cranbrook :love:

    Shame Labour couldn't have put a candidate though

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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Could you please point them out (if you already know the threads, otherwise don't bother)?

    In any case, if they can protest against The Financier's use of a banner in his personal signature, we would like to protest against their use of a party manifesto in a by-election. I just think it's misleading and goes against the basic principles of by-elections, which is to have individual candidates running for themselves, optionally with party endorsement, especially in the light of Gladiator12345's zero activity and events preceding his candidacy as demonstrated on previous pages of this thread.

    They said to him: “All you have to do is vote on Bills submitted by other MPs in the MHoC.”

    They want a seat with a voting robot, not a new active member of the House! This is what's against the spirit of the House and everything we're trying to achieve here!
    If this complaint is being sustained, I would like to submit the same rule proposed prevents the use of the name 'Conservative and Unionist Party' due to misleading the electorate about links to RL parties, and accordingly, if the Speaker should rule in their favour on this, he must also rule that the Conservative, Labour, and Green Parties must change names.

    Although, I feel that the 'misleading' argument is a poor one, and should simply be rejected, as our use of the manifesto is not misleading, and nor is misleading the electorate an objection per se.
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    Oooh interesting

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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    I have a newfound love for you cranbrook :love:

    Shame Labour couldn't have put a candidate though
    Haha, thank you:lol:

    Indeed. How fortunate it is that we're not the only left-wing party
 
 
 
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