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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    Pubs are described as the heart of British culture. To ban smoking in a pub is not only a disgrace against individual liberty it is a act of treason against the bedrock of this nation. I go to the pub for vice, poison and laughter and that is how it's supposed to be. A pub is a place where those who have accepted their mortality come to exchange ideas.

    If people do not like smoking in pubs they should go to a specific place which has that rule. Pubs should be free to set their rules, but in no way should the government encroach on this like it has done in the recent years.

    There is a line in a song "cowboys like smokey ol' pool rooms and clear mountain mornings". Cowboys won't come to pubs with this law, and so you have no excitement, nobody will come to a pub without energy.

    This country is dying and we need to save it. It has a heart condition. Pubs have to compete with supermarkets so they can't sell beer at reasonable prices and government is making ridiculous PC laws against them. The result is that people aren't talking to each other. Nobody is exchanging ideas anymore and so the country is dead. No people of character, passion or intellect will ever come from this nation if a lot of the laws brought under Labour are not thrown into the fire.
    Smoking should never have been banned in pubs it should have been down to the individual pubs to say if there's was a smoking or none smoking pub. People could then choose accordingly


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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    The health-obsessed don't belong in a pub and why a pub would cater to them is beyond me. That is what is tortuous about it, it's like going to a football game and seeing them use a rugby ball instead of a football. The whole point of a pub is to be the opposite of a healthy environment, it's denying the most important customer and catering to the drollish masses who will accept this kind of thing. Unfortunately for the masses they are stuck with their rules and each other and no version of the liveliness that pubs are traditionally designed to provide.
    You do realise that this attitude that you are choosing to espouse, is the equivalent of an apartheid for the health conscious, right?
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    (Original post by lustawny)
    You do realise that this attitude that you are choosing to espouse, is the equivalent of an apartheid for the health conscious, right?
    I said "health obsessed" not "health conscious" because my argument is that they are so obsessed with their own health that they are harming the liberty of people around them. Also I don't see what the apartheid has to do with any of this. Nobody is being banned from anything. Health-obsessed people can come in, they just need to accept that they are in a place which goes against their beliefs. Alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen and the pub exists to sell that.
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    That's one of the dumbest things I've read on this website.
    Coming from a guy who made a thread like this, that's actually quite laughable.
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    (Original post by lustawny)
    Coming from a guy who made a thread like this, that's actually quite laughable.
    I edited my post. You are probably quite new to forums. There is a "law of the internet" which states that in any argument the probably that someone will be compared to Hitler approaches certainty with the length of the argument. You did just that and so you are the fool.
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    There is a "law of the internet" which states that in any argument the probably that someone will be compared to Hitler approaches certainty with the length of the argument.
    It's actually got another name, a more specific one. What was it? I can never remember.
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    For pubs under 100 in capacity that don't serve food I'd personally leave it up to the discretion of the landlord if smoking is allowed or not.

    That said personally I don't mind going outside for a fag.
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    I said "health obsessed" not "health conscious" because my argument is that they are so obsessed with their own health that they are harming the liberty of people around them. Also I don't see what the apartheid has to do with any of this. Nobody is being banned from anything. Health-obsessed people can come in, they just need to accept that they are in a place which goes against their beliefs. Alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen and the pub exists to sell that.
    Read your own "argument" back to yourself:


    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    The health-obsessed don't belong in a pub and why a pub would cater to them is beyond me. That is what is tortuous about it, it's like going to a football game and seeing them use a rugby ball instead of a football. The whole point of a pub is to be the opposite of a healthy environment, it's denying the most important customer and catering to the drollish masses who will accept this kind of thing. Unfortunately for the masses they are stuck with their rules and each other and no version of the liveliness that pubs are traditionally designed to provide.

    How you can attribute a desire for people to protect themselves from potential lung cancer, high blood pressure/stroke and blocked arteries by way of second-hand smoke as being "health-obsessed", is completely beyond me. It's called having a basic awareness of what is scientifically proven as being liable to kill you before your time, but clearly you couldn't give less of a **** about any of that.

    If you're quite happy to smoke yourself into an early grave, go right ahead; no one is likely to stop you. You have no right, however, to inflict this upon anyone else, and a non-smoker has just as much right to have access to a pub as you do. Not everyone who goes into a pub, buys and drinks alcohol and smokes cigarettes. Like you said in the OP, they're a hotspot for socialising.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    For pubs under 100 in capacity that don't serve food I'd personally leave it up to the discretion of the landlord if smoking is allowed or not.

    That said personally I don't mind going outside for a fag.
    I don't mind going outside either, I smoke outside at home.

    It's just not fair on the pubs to have done this.


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    (Original post by lustawny)
    How you can attribute a desire for people to protect themselves from potential lung cancer, high blood pressure/stroke and blocked arteries by way of second-hand smoke as being "health-obsessed", is completely beyond me. It's called having a basic awareness of what is scientifically proven as being liable to kill you before your time, but clearly you couldn't give less of a **** about any of that.
    They are health-obsessed for one very simple reason: these people are going to a place of willing intoxication and complaining that they're being intoxicated...They could go there and accept the consequences of being there, with or without some form of personal protection, or they should find somewhere else to go and let people enjoy themselves.

    If you're quite happy to smoke yourself into an early grave, go right ahead; no one is likely to stop you. You have no right, however, to inflict this upon anyone else, and a non-smoker has just as much right to have access to a pub as you do. Not everyone who goes into a pub, buys and drinks alcohol and smokes cigarettes. Like you said in the OP, they're a hotspot for socialising.
    Relaxing goes hand-in-hand with socialising, but it's no place for that now. PC control freak losers go there now, and all the fun people are killing themselves, becoming millionaires, or joining ISIS.
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    Some smokers are ironically wind bags. Don't they just go on and on about "freedom" and "liberty"? They think they are freedom fighters but in reality they are more like suicide bombers with the emphasis on the suicide part.
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    They are health-obsessed for one very simple reason: these people are going to a place of willing intoxication and complaining that they're being intoxicated...They could go there and accept the consequences of being there, with or without some form of personal protection, or they should find somewhere else to go and let people enjoy themselves.


    Relaxing goes hand-in-hand with socialising, but it's no place for that now. PC control freak losers go there now, and all the fun people are killing themselves, becoming millionaires, or joining ISIS.
    The difference between drinking alcohol and second hand smoke is no one forces you to drink alcohol but sitting the the same room with smokers forces you to breathe in second hand smoke breathed out from the scabby cancer filled lungs of smokers.
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    I was working in a traditional pub when the smoking ban came in. It was horrible as everyone realised the smell of smoke was masking the stench of urine and stale beer. Needless to say it went bust a few months later while the more modern cleaner establishment next door continues to thrive.

    Pub closures have come about because of the smoking ban. They've come about because people's tastes have changed. Fail to move with the market and invest in your business and you won't survive.
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    I'm not health obsessed. I'd just rather not have an asthma attack. Or does that really make me "health obsessed"?
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    I'm not health obsessed. I'd just rather not have an asthma attack. Or does that really make me "health obsessed"?
    Could have gone to a none smoking pub if the government went down that route


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    What smokers fail to realise is that even the most liberal government would ban smoking in pubs nowadays, purely as it violates the harm principle, meaning liberals feel it is okay for the state to intervene in what would otherwise be seen as a person/business' choice, because the action is harming not just the individual doing the act, in this case smoking, but everyone around them, in this case second hand smoking, especially young children who often go to pubs with family for meals at weekends, nowadays at least
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    If you actually speak to many smoking pub goers many actually prefer pubs how they are. Although many would prefer the option of a smoking room.
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    Take your cancerous smoke elsewhere
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    (Original post by Maker)
    The difference between drinking alcohol and second hand smoke is no one forces you to drink alcohol but sitting the the same room with smokers forces you to breathe in second hand smoke breathed out from the scabby cancer filled lungs of smokers.
    At last! Thank you.
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    (Original post by The_Last_Melon)
    There is a line in a song "cowboys like smokey ol' pool rooms and clear mountain mornings". Cowboys won't come to pubs with this law, and so you have no excitement, nobody will come to a pub without energy.

    tbh i would not be comfortable if my pub filled with cow operatives, whether or not they were emitting cancerous fumes.
 
 
 
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