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    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.
    because there are alot of bigotted idiots on this forum sometimes
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    declare youself, like me a "liberal fascist" it always baffles people. Then when they say it is impossible explain that you are very right wing on immigration but liberal on, say Gay marriage. Then you get the respect of being right-wing with the decency of being liberal!
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    declare youself, like me a "liberal fascist" it always baffles people. Then when they say it is impossible explain that you are very right wing on immigration but liberal on, say Gay marriage. Then you get the respect of being right-wing with the decency of being liberal!
    Yeah I would apart from the fact that I am yet to find something that I am not liberal in reguards to.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself.
    This will be why your views are seen as "weaker" than those of others - because you pigeon-hole alternative views, and so fail to keep an open mind, and thus lose the respect of others...nothing to do with being a liberal.

    It is amazing how you slip that stupid generalisation into your argument as if it is a fact on which to base a justification of the views you hold.
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    (Original post by -mb-)
    This will be why your views are seen as "weaker" than those of others - because you pigeon-hole alternative views, and so failt to keep an open mind, and thus lose the respect of others...nothing to do with being a liberal.

    It is amazing how you slip that stupid generalisation into your argument as if it is a fact on which to base a justification of the views you hold.
    I could have written a very long post of left and right wing view points but I was in a rush and it was just a thought that I wanted other peoples oppinions. The general view of right wing is that it is more capatalist which is to do with bettering yourself and making it on your own and left wing is more support by the state everyone has the opportunity ect.

    I understand that people have different views to me and I don't see them as any less valid. I am always open to the fact that one day I may agree with a right wing view but as it is at the moment I haven't yet.

    The only thing that I was trying to find out with this post is why liberal views are considered weaker. My reason for asking is because I have been told that on this forum by people who hold the view I listed above. These are the people that I am really targetting this post at not all right wing people just the people who fit into the catagory that I displayed in my post and have called liberal views weak. I am just trying to work out why they feel that way.
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    (Original post by -mb-)
    This will be why your views are seen as "weaker" than those of others - because you pigeon-hole alternative views, and so fail to keep an open mind, and thus lose the respect of others...nothing to do with being a liberal.

    It is amazing how you slip that stupid generalisation into your argument as if it is a fact on which to base a justification of the views you hold.
    That may a critism of the post she wrote and the views she holds however it is not a critism of "left" views being weak as there are as many on the "left" as there on the "right" with open minds. Many of those on the forum have critised "left" wing views and those holding them for the reason that they are holding left wind views rather than because of any generalisation they may have made.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I could have written a very long post of left and right wing view points but I was in a rush and it was just a thought that I wanted other peoples oppinions. The general view of right wing is that it is more capatalist which is to do with bettering yourself and making it on your own and left wing is more support by the state everyone has the opportunity ect.

    I understand that people have different views to me and I don't see them as any less valid. I am always open to the fact that one day I may agree with a right wing view but as it is at the moment I haven't yet.

    The only thing that I was trying to find out with this post is why liberal views are considered weaker. My reason for asking is because I have been told that on this forum by people who hold the view I listed above. These are the people that I am really targetting this post at not all right wing people just the people who fit into the catagory that I displayed in my post and have called liberal views weak. I am just trying to work out why they feel that way.

    Fair enough.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.
    Churchill said it best:

    "If you are young, and not liberal, then you don't have a heart. If you are old, and not conservative, then you don't have a brain."

    People call liberals "bleeding hearts" and feel that the ideology is based on emotion rather than logic.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Churchill said it best:

    "If you are young, and not liberal, then you don't have a heart. If you are old, and not conservative, then you don't have a brain."

    People call liberals "bleeding hearts" and feel that the ideology is based on emotion rather than logic.
    The reason people call them 'bleeding heart liberals' is that their hearts bleed for everyone, (except those who don't share their liberal agenda, of course), yet they become confused because of their perceived duty to support every faction going and so can't actually act. They feel a lot, though. Which is obviously a fat lot of good to anyone, but it makes them feel good, and tolerant. True bleeding heart liberals, as opposed to people who are simply full of compassion for mankind (even those members of mankind who aren't liberal) are easy to spot by their extreme intolerance of any person who doggedly sticks to a viewpoint which is not liberal. Any thoughts?
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    (Original post by jackgiraffe)
    The reason people call them 'bleeding heart liberals' is that their hearts bleed for everyone, (except those who don't share their liberal agenda, of course), yet they become confused because of their perceived duty to support every faction going and so can't actually act. They feel a lot, though. Which is obviously a fat lot of good to anyone, but it makes them feel good, and tolerant. True bleeding heart liberals, as opposed to people who are simply full of compassion for mankind (even those members of mankind who aren't liberal) are easy to spot by their extreme intolerance of any person who doggedly sticks to a viewpoint which is not liberal. Any thoughts?
    I can't comment on European liberals, since there are different standards in other countries. American liberals don't just have a lack of compassion towards those that just disagree with them. The tend to have an intense dislike for rich people and white people, due to their desire to level the playing field. They also usually dislike corporations and the police.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I can't comment on European liberals, since there are different standards in other countries. American liberals don't just have a lack of compassion towards those that just disagree with them. The tend to have an intense dislike for rich people and white people, due to their desire to level the playing field. They also usually dislike corporations and the police.
    I dotn really know about liberals in America but I think being a liberal is about not giving in to the stereotypes presented in the media, trying not to be selfish with money and believing in the benefits of a meritocracy in that people should be given the chance to better themselves wherever they come from,whatever they look like and whatever they believe. But then i suppose my minds been poisoned by the jew media huh??
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    (Original post by randdom)
    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.
    weaker? who told you that?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    weaker? who told you that?
    There are a lot of right wingers on here that look down on liberals as being people who've been brainwashed by the liberal media and tthink we're naive - shite but hey i look down on the right wing so....
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    weaker? who told you that?
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    alot of bigotted idiots
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    (Original post by randdom)
    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.
    I can't see why they should be considered more or less valid if they are liberal or not. If anything it is based on evidence and conclusions drawn from them etc.

    May be people wish to live in a static society? :confused:

    Chances are there will be more people saying your views are less valid when they are liberal from right-wingers, but the liberal ones may not bother replying to them.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    Why is it that liberal views are considered weaker than the right wing views. I mean I keep on being told that my oppinions are less valid or weaker because they are liberal. The way that I see it, it is easier to be right wing and only look out for yourself. It is harder for people to be liberal even if it is not in for you benefit. So why is it considered to be weaker, I would have thought if anything it was stronger.

    OK, I'm going to look incredibly ignorant and stupid here, but what are the main differences between right-wingers and liberals?
    I know that generally right wingers want less taxes, liberals more, on immigration right wingers want stricter controls, and liberals are less euro-sceptic. But what about things like education and the NHS?
    What is a liberal? Is it just the Liberal Democrats or does that include labour too? And which one is further left? I was once called an "evil liberal" on this board so i'd quite like to know exactly what one is!
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    This is quite a good deffinition of what it means to be liberal I think.

    (Original post by Cossack)
    I think being a liberal is about not giving in to the stereotypes presented in the media, trying not to be selfish with money and believing in the benefits of a meritocracy in that people should be given the chance to better themselves wherever they come from,whatever they look like and whatever they believe.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    This is quite a good deffinition of what it means to be liberal I think.
    why thank you
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    (Original post by sarah101)
    OK, I'm going to look incredibly ignorant and stupid here, but what are the main differences between right-wingers and liberals?
    I know that generally right wingers want less taxes, liberals more, on immigration right wingers want stricter controls, and liberals are less euro-sceptic. But what about things like education and the NHS?
    What is a liberal? Is it just the Liberal Democrats or does that include labour too? And which one is further left? I was once called an "evil liberal" on this board so i'd quite like to know exactly what one is!
    A liberal in its ordinary sense (as in the dictionary), although that can include politically, such as the Lib Dems. I doubt Labour is liberal. People have always told me that Labour were left, Lib Dems middle, Conservatives right. I get the feeling Lib Dems are more left wing than Labour overall.

    Labour are meant to be socialist. You have 'liberal' Conservatives too anyway such as Kenneth Clarke QC and so on.
 
 
 
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