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    A splendid idea.

    The only frustrating thing is I didn't think of this myself!
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    I thought you had similar views to NK?
    "The North Koreans - a great bunch o' lads" - Father Ted
    yeah, except for the bad bits
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    Also, thirty days after royal assent? How quickly do you think schools can adapt every timetable?

    Hint: Not very
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I will dangle them out of a window till they accept it as being people in a same sex marriage with adopted kids, who hold strong socialist and republican views
    Interesting, I myself was stuck somewhere between polygamy, which I'm led to believe was common place back when we were pagans, or the traditional 19th century practice of selling your 12 year old daughter's virginity (and the rest of her life) to a rich man just to increase your own stature in society.
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    How vile. Absolutely not. Patriotism is a ridiculous notion.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I will dangle them out of a window till they accept it as being people in a same sex marriage with adopted kids, who hold strong socialist and republican views
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Interesting, I myself was stuck somewhere between polygamy, which I'm led to believe was common place back when we were pagans, or the traditional 19th century practice of selling your 12 year old daughter's virginity (and the rest of her life) to a rich man just to increase your own stature in society.
    Same sex polygamous relationships, which are only legitimate if people of multiple nationalities and ethnicity are included, adopted children are also a must, and 12 year old girls can be sold off to rich people for status if you wish. That sound good?
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
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    (Original post by thehistorybore)
    How vile. Absolutely not. Patriotism is a ridiculous notion.
    I have never agreed with you so much.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Aye , Aye , AYE !
    Oh hazzer.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Same sex polygamous relationships, which are only legitimate if people of multiple nationalities and ethnicity are included, adopted children are also a must, and 12 year old girls can be sold off to rich people for status if you wish. That sound good?
    Sounds perfect! Lets pass this bill.

    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    I truly don't know what this place would be like without UKIP. They do keep us entertained.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    Oh hazzer.
    (Original post by cBay)
    Sounds perfect! Lets pass this bill.



    I truly don't know what this place would be like without UKIP. They do keep us entertained.
    Just when you think UKIP is getting rational with the referendum bill, they pull this out...
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    Okay.
    2.3a I will not be singing a funeral dirge-like praise song imploring God to save a woman on benefits. You want to punish me for that? Cool by me:yy:
    2.3b. As a history buff of Irish descent this horrifies me. Britain's history is by no means all positive. While this country has done great things, it's also done some stuff that's pretty ****ing nasty. It's time we stopped selling kids a false version of our history where we're the angels of humanity, because it's patently false and the idea of education is to educate, not to disseminate propaganda.

    2.3d. Whoever wrote this needs to start living in reality. We're good, but we're not the greatest country in the world.
    2.3f. This is so vague it's not worth including, and besides, teachers have enough on their plate without having to indoctrinate kids with right-wing family values ********.
    3.1. See response to 2.3a.
    3.2. Good luck getting kids of recently-arrived immigrants that don't speak much English to learn your family values without an interpreter.
    3. 4. Somehow I doubt teachers will actually give enough of a flying **** to punish.
    4. b and c. Thanks for giving me something to respond with whenever one of you next rants about political correctness and free speech. Much appreciated :yy:
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    Overall, I couldn't support this bill.

    (Original post by RayApparently)
    B948 - National Education Bill 2016, TSR UKIP 2) National Education

    (1) ‘National Education’ shall be included in the national curriculum
    (2) All schools following the national curriculum shall provide at least 40 minutes of ‘national education’ every school week that consists of at least five days to all students from the early years foundation stage to Key Stage 4.
    (3) ‘National Education’ shall include—
    (a) the mandatory singing of the national anthem every lesson;
    (b) the teaching of British culture and history in a manner that portrays the United Kingdom’s culture or history positively;
    (c) lessons teaching students to abide by the law;
    (d) the promotion of patriotism and the message that the United Kingdom is the greatest country in the world;
    (e) lessons on carrying out societal obligations, including paying taxes;
    (f) the promotion of traditional family values (as defined by the Department of Education); and
    (g) basic first aid training.
    First of all, singing the national anthem every lesson? Really? Needless, doesn't encourage British nationalism, and is jingoistic. You only have to look to America to know that many US citizens see this as a chore, rather than something to be proud of.

    Secondly, as a history student I extremely dislike the idea of legislating history. It is not up for teachers to decide whether is the UK was 'right' or 'wrong' and we should not restrict future generations by damaging analysis skills and providing a biased view of the world.

    (c) is pointless as it's something we already do.

    (d) is extremely arrogant and not conductive for relationships (both international and domestically).

    (e) is reasonable, but not detailed enough. If you made a bill solely on this premise it might make sense, but chucking it in here isn't good enough.

    (f) showcases that arrogance again. I'm not opposed to family values, but if UKIP could provide information of how the department would choose these family values that would be grand. Personally, I would focus on virtues rather than family values as those intertwine but are also more helpful for the person.

    (g) should already be done.

    3) Teachers’ duties

    (1) Teachers shall ensure that all students sing the national anthem during ‘national education’ sessions, unless a student has a disability that prevents him from singing.
    (2) Teachers shall ensure that students do not use any language other than English; or Scots, Welsh, British Sign Language, Irish, Scottish Gaelic, or Cornish if the situation permits.
    (3) Ensure that when teaching ‘national education’, no reference to the flag, anthem, monarchy, or history of the United Kingdom may be portrayed negatively.
    (4) Teachers have a responsibility to punish students who—
    (a) refuse to sing the national anthem during a national anthem singing session; or
    (b) use any language other than the ones permitted under subsection (2).
    (1) is impossible to do but is also not supporting the aims of this bill. I assume you want to foster national unity? The best way to do that is through punishment and fear I'm sure...

    (2) again, just creates needless conflict. Not fostering that British community but instead alienating people.

    (3) is pointless again. No teacher talks into a classroom and starts hating on the Union Jack. You want to future discussion and debate. Britain did not become the mother of Parliamentary democracy through fear such as this.

    (4) I've already stated why this is a bad idea.

    (1) The Department of Education shall be responsible for issuing ‘national education’ licenses for ‘national education’ teachers.
    (2) Only those with ‘national education’ licenses may teach ‘national education’ in schools.
    (3) The Department of Education may only issue ‘national education’ licenses to individuals who—
    (a) are British citizens;
    (b) have not been convicted of a crime; and
    (c) are not separatists or republicans.
    (4) The Department of Education shall be responsible for carrying out audits in schools to ensure that ‘national education’ is taught in accordance to the provisions in section 2 of this bill, and to ensure that teachers of ‘national education’ comply with the provisions in section 3.
    So far, the bill has proven to be counterintuitive when it comes to fostering British community and spirit. This section only emphasises this point. Unless someone bothers to reply to me, I won't bother criticises this section as it's a waste of both of our times.

    I will, however, chuckle at the restriction of republicans and separatists becoming teachers. I can imagine UKIP would go mental if the EU started doing that.

    5) Consequences of violation

    (1)Teachers who fail to comply with the provisions in section 3 are liable to a minimum fine of £500.
    (2) Schools that fail to teach ‘national education’ in accordance to the provisions in section 2 are liable to a minimum fine of £10,000.
    (3) Those who attempt to teach ‘national education’ in schools without a license are liable to a maximum fine of £1000 and 12 months imprisonment.
    The bill is already unenforceable, so these fines are excessive.

    6) Short title, commencement and extent

    (1) This Act may be cited as the National Education Act 2016.
    (2) This Act comes into effect 30 days after Royal Assent.
    (3) This Act extends to Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    The bill is coming into force too soon. You will not set up an entire lesson plan in 30 days and you will not issue licences in 30 days. You're setting schools up to fail. You also do not state which academic year this will be coming into force
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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
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    This is an excellent level of contribution for a new member - which party is lucky enough to have you?
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    ...(d) the promotion of patriotism and the message that the United Kingdom is the greatest country in the world;
    Inb4 the UK equivalent of the interview opening



    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    This is an excellent level of contribution for a new member - which party is lucky enough to have you?
    A tory from the other side.
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    That's the least of the problems with this bill


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    Nay.

    A pity that there could not have been a bill on the parts that the majority of the House might have accepted, such as first aid training and learning about respect for the law and paying taxes.
 
 
 
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