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    (Original post by anonwinner)
    Which courses are ABB at LSE?
    Meant AAB. Sociology, environment etc several

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    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Gods! Are you serious! Size of Math etc departments at Warwick are larger, more students, bigger finance society, so more efficient for firms to visit.

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    That's pretty much the reason why firms have targets in the first place. They're capitalising on looking through/advertising to a high density of top (or perceived as top) talent, it's much easier to wade through top notch students than to find the needle in the hay stack at a non-target.

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    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Meant AAB. Sociology, environment etc several

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    They are still very competitive in terms % of applicants receiving offers.

    Humanities degrees at Oxford are all AAA, and UCL has several AAB and even ABB degrees.
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    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Meant AAB. Sociology, environment etc several

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    People who do those subjects and who get ABB don't usually apply to IB anyway.
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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    That's pretty much the reason why firms have targets in the first place. They're capitalising on looking through/advertising to a high density of top (or perceived as top) talent, it's much easier to wade through top notch students than to find the needle in the hay stack at a non-target.

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    Point I'm making is that Warwick does not compare to ucl, Oxbridge imperial. And bath. Though their size and reasonably academic cohort make them prime for recruiters as it were.

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    Point I'm making is that Warwick does not compare to ucl, Oxbridge imperial. And bath. Though their size and reasonably academic cohort make them prime for recruiters as it were.

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    Why are you clinging onto UCL? Do you go there? UCL has ABB courses (LSE doesn't), and lots of AAB courses.
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    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Point I'm making is that Warwick does not compare to ucl, Oxbridge imperial. And bath. Though their size and reasonably academic cohort make them prime for recruiters as it were.

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    Oh, so Warwick Maths, Econ and Business all don't compare? First time I've heard that.. UCL and Warwick have a broadly similar intake of students across the 'academic' subjects - with Maths being grouped with Oxbridge/Imperial instead of UCL.

    For the subjects Warwick are good at, it beats Bath hands down; don't know where the opposite assertion is coming from.

    It's pretty much always been as follows for 'academic ability':
    Oxbridge
    LSE/Imperial
    UCL/Warwick

    The actual numbers breaking in are skewed towards LSE/Warwick as they've become de facto 'breeding grounds' as of late.

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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    Overall statistical chance is like 25-50:1 or about 2-4%.I'd say about 1000 FO summer analysts are hired per year. Assuming that 40-45% of that intake is from Europe/other top global unis. You're left with 550-600 British uni FO summer analysts. Breaking this down with the standard 70-80% (lets use 75%) being from target unis, you have: 413-450. There are 6 targets, splitting it evenly it's roughly ~70-75 per year per target.
    Any numbers on only 40-45% being from Europe? My understanding was it is higher but I may be completely wrong on this.

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    Gods! Are you serious! Size of Math etc departments at Warwick are larger, more students, bigger finance society, so more efficient for firms to visit.
    Therefore making it a target.

    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Point I'm making is that Warwick does not compare to ucl, Oxbridge imperial. And bath. Though their size and reasonably academic cohort make them prime for recruiters as it were.
    Argue the case for Bath all you want, come September to November this year Warwick will be targeted to a much greater extent by the banks / buyside firms, and that is what ultimately matters.
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    (Original post by Kiltennel)
    Any numbers on only 40-45% being from Europe? My understanding was it is higher but I may be completely wrong on this.
    I'd be interested in hearing your numbers actually. I'm going off of limited exposure to SA classes at Barc, GS and MS.
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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    I'd be interested in hearing your numbers actually. I'm going off of limited exposure to SA classes at Barc, GS and MS.
    I'd say your numbers will be more accurate than mine by the sounds of it. My numbers are based on anecdotal evidence (pan-nationality ACs), friend's descriptions of their SA classes, and what I was told by bankers. Told by several BB bankers that they have a quite limited number of spots for UK&I candidates due to a general lack of second language capabilities vs those from the continent.
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    (Original post by Kiltennel)
    I'd say your numbers will be more accurate than mine by the sounds of it. My numbers are based on anecdotal evidence (pan-nationality ACs), friend's descriptions of their SA classes, and what I was told by bankers. Told by several BB bankers that they have a quite limited number of spots for UK&I candidates due to a general lack of second language capabilities vs those from the continent.
    Interesting. What would your guesstimate be in that respect? Your data seems more varied than mine.

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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    Interesting. What would your guesstimate be in that respect? Your data seems more varied than mine.

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    I think it could be around 60%, potentially up to 70% region for the European banks. The second language skills are very helpful and continental candidates are often at MSc level rather than undergrad, leading them to come across as more polished (What I was told by a Director from DB).
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    (Original post by Kiltennel)
    I think it could be around 60%, potentially up to 70% region for the European banks. The second language skills are very helpful and continental candidates are often at MSc level rather than undergrad, leading them to come across as more polished (What I was told by a Director from DB).
    60-70% Brits or 60-70% Europeans?

    That's a good point! I've noticed that the Europeans tended to have more work experience and prior internships than Brits.

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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    60-70% Brits or 60-70% Europeans?

    That's a good point! I've noticed that the Europeans tended to have more work experience and prior internships than Brits.

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    60-70% Europeans.

    That was his point exactly and I've heard others air similar views. By the time euro students in the likes of Bocconi / SSE / ESCP etc where 2 year masters are offered, they're in their 4th or potentially 5th year of university and their 1st year of a top masters. Many will have 1-2 respectable internships under their belt along with a stronger education by that point in time. Some top 1 year masters are now including an internship rather than just a thesis / research project for the summer term (HEC for example) which makes it more competitive again due to steering applicants towards summer rather than full time applications.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Work experience
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    Work experience....,
    If you are not going to contribute anything relevant to the title of the thread then go.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    If you are not going to contribute anything relevant to the title of the thread then go.
    Ok, let's implement some common sense here...there are a small group of 'target unis' that you may find yourself studying at if lucky. If you don't make it to Oxbridge, then there is a larger group that would be perfectly acceptable to FO HR if accompanied by work experience. This could actually give you an advantage.

    Now, if you really needed that explaining to you I'm not sure the FO* is for you.

    *oh yeah I have extensive FO experience.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Ok, let's implement some common sense here...there are a small group of 'target unis' that you may find yourself studying at if lucky. If you don't make it to Oxbridge, then there is a larger group that would be perfectly acceptable to FO HR if accompanied by work experience. This could actually give you an advantage.

    Now, if you really needed that explaining to you I'm not sure the FO* is for you.

    *oh yeah I have extensive FO experience.
    Yeah but my question was literally just the proportion of students at target universities that get summer internships in FO at banks. I never asked what I needed to do to get an internship- I know that I need to go to a target uni, get work experience and good extra curricular activities- I'm not new to the world of IB. I was merely stating that your answer of "work experience" doesn't answer the question of what proportion of students make it into FO.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Yeah but my question was literally just the proportion of students at target universities that get summer internships in FO at banks. I never asked what I needed to do to get an internship- I know that I need to go to a target uni, get work experience and good extra curricular activities- I'm not new to the world of IB. I was merely stating that your answer of "work experience" doesn't answer the question of what proportion of students make it into FO.
    Ok, but I want you to know that it's a stat that has little meaning isolated, and that you shouldn't feel discouraged If you are not at a target uni or have not done things the exact way the stats suggest that you do it to win a FO role.
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    (Original post by BarryBeTrippin)
    Cross out Warwick, then you're fine. Plus LSE data is skewed because of econ/econ joint honours courses. There are ABB courses at LSE.

    So really only 4 targets.

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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Ok, but I want you to know that it's a stat that has little meaning isolated, and that you shouldn't feel discouraged If you are not at a target uni or have not done things the exact way the stats suggest that you do it to win a FO role.
    Ok thanks
 
 
 
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