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    Skynet creates the Terminators, but they need a bit of the first Terminator to do the development so it couldn't be sent back in time if it hadn't already been sent back in time.
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    (Original post by NJA)
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    Skynet creates the terminators, but they need a bit of the first Terminator to do the development so it couldn't be sent back in time if it hadn't already been sent back in time.
    can you break this down a bit - dont understand exactly what you're saying
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    (Original post by Death Grips)
    can you break this down a bit - dont understand exactly what you're saying
    Your mind is probably tired, you may wake up tomorrow and it will be clear, I don't think I can simplify further.
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    Skynet creates the Terminators, but they need a bit of the first Terminator to do the development so it couldn't be sent back in time if it hadn't already been sent back in time.
    What does that have to do with The Matrix?

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    What does that have to do with The Matrix?

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    Nothing, well spotted, it's Frieday, my mind is fried
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    (Original post by NJA)
    Nothing, well spotted, it's Frieday, my mind is fried
    No excuse.

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    What you're discussing is a bootstrap paradox.

    Doctor Who summarised it quite nicely:
    Let’s say a time traveler goes back to meet Beethoven, and finds that the man never really existed. The time traveler decides to take out their sheet music, copy it out by hand, and publish the works so that the universe isn’t robbed of the music. But the question becomes—where did Beethoven’s music truly come from?

    In this instance Skynet builds the terminator based on the arm from the eighties, they send it back in time and no one is working on skynet, the terminator they send back becomes the basis for skynet. So the question is, where does the idea for skynet and the design for the terminator originally come from?
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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    What you're discussing is a bootstrap paradox.
    What does that have to do with bootstraps?

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    What does that have to do with bootstraps?

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    The phrase "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" I think. It's a paradox because in simplistic terms there isn't an origin point for the force. You're trying to exert force to lift yourself but the force you're creating comes from your feet being on the ground.
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    Skynet creates the Terminators, but they need a bit of the first Terminator to do the development so it couldn't be sent back in time if it hadn't already been sent back in time.
    What is the matrix paradox?
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    (Original post by NJA)
    Your mind is probably tired, you may wake up tomorrow and it will be clear, I don't think I can simplify further.
    No, your post was too brief and thus not clear enough.

    Gwilym101 explained it perfectly.
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    (Original post by Death Grips)
    No, your post was too brief and thus not clear enough.

    Gwilym101 explained it perfectly.
    Well, that's a subjective judgement, I'm glad you now understand though.
 
 
 
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