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1. (Original post by AlbertXY)
You have only quoted back present information which I have deemed in error, pointed out the errors.

Please point out where my explanation of error is wrong in any sense?
(Original post by Kyx)
Firstly, do you agree with the above statements?
2. (Original post by Kyx)
Firstly, do you agree with the point I made earlier? About the light appearing to move diagonally?
no it does not move diagonally which can be easily proven and i have already shown.

And do you also agree that the speed of light is the same for EVERY observer?

NO, it can be measured differently on a different planet by present standards contradiction.
3. (Original post by Kyx)
The fact is beams of light ARE possible, and we are using one for the purpose of this experiment
The fact is a beam of light needs a medium such as smoke to be seen, the fact is beams of light is observe effect, the light off the sun is isotropic and it is a fact it is not opaque.
4. (Original post by AlbertXY)
no it does not move diagonally which can be easily proven and i have already shown.

NO, it can be measured differently on a different planet by present standards contradiction.
Am going to unfollow this thread as your lack of abililty to think about basic concepts bewilders me, but good luck disproving all of the work on relativity for the past 100 or so years anyway
5. (Original post by AlbertXY)
no it does not move diagonally which can be easily proven and i have already shown.

NO, it can be measured differently on a different planet by present standards contradiction.
No, it cant. the speed of light is universal.

As for the diagonal light path, prove it
6. (Original post by AlbertXY)
The fact is a beam of light needs a medium such as smoke to be seen, the fact is beams of light is observe effect, the light off the sun is isotropic and it is a fact it is not opaque.

No it doesn't, actually. that is a common myth.
7. Light can only be reflected diagonally off a mirrored surface.
8. (Original post by Kyx)
No it doesn't, actually. that is a common myth.
That is strange, I have a laser, I can not see the laser beam in natural light or in the dark , the frequency is beyond my visual range , however when I blow smoke from my cigarette, the laser interacts with the smoke and I can see the laser beam.

It is not a myth I own a laser and have tried this several times.
9. (Original post by AlbertXY)
Light can only be reflected diagonally off a mirrored surface.
And that is exactly what is happening

(Original post by AlbertXY)
That is strange, I have a laser, I can not see the laser beam in natural light or in the dark , the frequency is beyond my visual range , however when I blow smoke from my cigarette, the laser interacts with the smoke and I can see the laser beam.

It is not a myth I own a laser and have tried this several times.
And if the frequency was inside your visual range?
10. (Original post by Kyx)
No, it cant. the speed of light is universal.

As for the diagonal light path, prove it
Please look at any object in your room, do you see any diagonal paths of light, it is whole.

There you go proven.

The speed of light may be universal, but if an observer disagrees on time then they also have to disagree on speed. That is the contradiction.
11. (Original post by Kyx)
And that is exactly what is happening

And if the frequency was inside your visual range?
You observe that has spectral colour between 400-700nm.
12. (Original post by Kyx)
And that is exactly what is happening

And the mirror is observer effect, placed and angled to an imaginary visual beam.
13. (Original post by AlbertXY)
Please look at any object in your room, do you see any diagonal paths of light, it is whole.

There you go proven.
It depends on how you define 'diagonal'. Which plane you are referring to as the vertical and the horizontal. So yes, I see more diagonal than vertical or horizontal.

(Original post by AlbertXY)

The speed of light may be universal, but if an observer disagrees on time then they also have to disagree on speed. That is the contradiction.
No. There is no contradiction. They all agree on speed, but disagree on time. Therefore they disagree on distance too.
14. (Original post by AlbertXY)
You think a student is a troll for questioning the integrity of the knowledge been presented to him?
No, you questioning this is actually very good of you. But to ignore certain facts, and respond with a very vague/random response completely tangential to the argument you are presented with is rather infuriating to try and have a discussion with. I will now wrap this up:

Here we have a spaceship with a mirrored floor and roof. Now:

For the person in the spaceship, this is the change in time.
note this is a model, and we are tracking the photon from the clock
As above, the time frame for the person in the space ship is as we expect it. distance/velocity is time.
Now for the observer outside the spaceship. Again this is a model

According to our observer, the distance has changed compared to the person in the spaceship. Using pythagoras we can calculate this:

Where is the change in the x axis due to

So by this logic , . Therefore,
and
Substituting these values into the first equation:

As such:

There you you, proved the theory of special relativity using elementary level maths and some situations.
15. (Original post by Kyx)
It depends on how you define 'diagonal'. Which plane you are referring to as the vertical and the horizontal. So yes, I see more diagonal than vertical or horizontal.

No. There is no contradiction. They all agree on speed, but disagree on time. Therefore they disagree on distance too.
NO, speed is d/t

You cant agree on speed without agreeing on time

t1=1s

t2=a shorter second

d/t1=299 792 458 m / s

d/t2=further
16. (Original post by AlbertXY)
NO, speed is d/t

You cant agree on speed without agreeing on time

t1=1s

t2=a shorter second

d/t1=299 792 458 m / s

d/t2=further
Speed = distance over time

So, if speed = 1

Distance can equal 1 if time equals 1
Or distance can equal 2 if time equals 2
17. (Original post by Kyx)
Speed = distance over time

So, if speed = 1

Distance can equal 1 if time equals 1
Or distance can equal 2 if time equals 2

Yes , the speed of light in a vacuum is an invariant, we both can agree that light travelling 1m in a vacuum is a constant, but we both have to agree that time is an invariant.
18. (Original post by AlbertXY)
That is strange, I have a laser, I can not see the laser beam in natural light or in the dark , the frequency is beyond my visual range , however when I blow smoke from my cigarette, the laser interacts with the smoke and I can see the laser beam.

It is not a myth I own a laser and have tried this several times.
Nope, wrong.

If the frequency of the light were outside your visual range, it'd be an IR or UV light. Doesn't matter if it's passing through smoke or what, you wouldn't be able to see it.

Just doesn't reflect off of the thinly dispersed gases in the air, hence why you don't see the light unless it's passing through a smoke or pointed directly at your eyes. It's just directional hence why you don't see it most of the time. Light from the sun, however, is widely dispersed and hence reflects off just about everything around us.
19. (Original post by AlbertXY)
Yes , the speed of light in a vacuum is an invariant, we both can agree that light travelling 1m in a vacuum is a constant, but we both have to agree that time is an invariant.
20. (Original post by Alexion)
Nope, wrong.

If the frequency of the light were outside your visual range, it'd be an IR or UV light. Doesn't matter if it's passing through smoke or what, you wouldn't be able to see it.

Just doesn't reflect off of the thinly dispersed gases in the air, hence why you don't see the light unless it's passing through a smoke or pointed directly at your eyes. It's just directional hence why you don't see it most of the time. Light from the sun, however, is widely dispersed and hence reflects off just about everything around us.

Ok, so then you can tell me the frequency of white light can you?

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