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Why do people think Donald Trump is racist?

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Original post by A$aprocky
Not racist, just metaphorically acknowledging the prevalence of white privilege that exists in our society.


Exactly. It's not like Sanders said "White people are/do such and such", he was comparing the general struggles of non-Whites in America to the security that Whites take for granted.
Original post by NickLCFC
I'm going to pull the Islam isn't a race card because Islam isn't a race.


Then how do you close borders to what isn't a race/nationality/ethnicity? You contradict yourself.
Original post by A$aprocky
Not racist, just metaphorically acknowledging the prevalence of white privilege that exists in our society.


I don't acknowledge the existence of white privilege so I find it to be a racist comment.
Original post by WBZ144
Then how do you close borders to what isn't a race/nationality/ethnicity? You contradict yourself.


You can't, I agree that it's a very unrealistic suggestion.
Original post by NickLCFC
I don't acknowledge the existence of white privilege so I find it to be a racist comment.


Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.
Since 9/11 there have been far more people killed in mass shootings in America than by Muslim extremists, the numbers aren't even comparable.
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Original post by A$aprocky
Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.


Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.
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Original post by A$aprocky
Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.


Fair enough. He believes that white people don't know what it's like to live in a Ghetto, which is simply not true. The statement is just wrong, not racist.

Original post by A$aprocky
And that is why your opinion is irrelevant.


I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.

Original post by NickLCFC
Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.


It's not racism, it's ignorance. He is not saying they can't, but that they don't. While it is incredibly ridiculous to say an either race does or doesn't experience something, it isnt racist.
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Original post by NickLCFC
Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.


Do you even know what racism means? There is no reference to whites being superior nor inferior. He's generically addressing the fact that there is white privilege in society and there are numerous facts to prove that whites are better of. Its purely metaphorical not literal. Even if you were to disagree with what he said, you use the word 'stereotype'. If you take it literally, you could argue that he's stereotyping that whites are better of in society.
Look at the meaning of the statement instead of claiming its racist.
Nothing racist at all mate.
Original post by Farm_Ecology
Fair enough. He believes that white people don't know what it's like to live in a Ghetto, which is simply not true. The statement is just wrong, not racist.

I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.


But you would consider a Muslim associated with the Taliban to be an extremist, would you not? So why does that not apply to someone who associates with the KKK? Why would you associate with such a group unless you agree with their views and goals?
*an authoritarian.
Original post by Farm_Ecology

I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.


So you're saying that a member of the KKK for example may not necessarily be racist even thought the group believes in white supremacy? That's honestly ridiculous
Donald Trump failed to denounce the KKK and accepted their support. Showing it's plain racism. And in this case, Trump made the decision to not denounce the KKK and accepted their endorsement, which by your logic also means that he is racist.
Your point about Muslims is also wrong. If I was a muslim with extreme views that does define my character, unless i keep it to myself.
Original post by A$aprocky
Do you even know what racism means? There is no reference to whites being superior nor inferior. He's generically addressing the fact that there is white privilege in society and there are numerous facts to prove that whites are better of. Its purely metaphorical not literal. Even if you were to disagree with what he said, you use the word 'stereotype'. If you take it literally, you could argue that he's stereotyping that whites are better of in society.
Look at the meaning of the statement instead of claiming its racist.
Nothing racist at all mate.


Why does racism just have to involve suggesting a certain race is superior or inferior. Trust me, I'm not usually one to just throw around the word 'racism' but surely his comment qualifies as prejudice towards white people (which I personally would class as racism).

If he did mean it metaphorically (which he probably did) then maybe it isn't racism. I just think the fact the he believes in the concept of white privilege and wants to prioritise the issues of 'people of colour' because of it, is racist.

It's beside the point anyway. Okay... his comment was metaphorical, but the media barely bat an eye when he says it. When Trump said something along the lines of 'they're rapists' when referring to Mexicans, the media reported it without context and it was everywhere. Do you really think Trump literally meant ALL Mexicans were rapists or don't you think that was somewhat metaphorical as well? Maybe he was referring to the higher crime rates among Mexican immigrants.
Original post by WBZ144
But you would consider a Muslim associated with the Taliban to be an extremist, would you not? So why does that not apply to someone who associates with the KKK? Why would you associate with such a group unless you agree with their views and goals?
No, I wouldn't. There is a good chance they would be extremist (as with a member of a racist organization being racist), but there are reasons why someone might be associated with the organization but not be. While these cases might be rare, I think that is enough to hold off making assumptions until I know more about the individual.
Original post by A$aprocky
So you're saying that a member of the KKK for example may not necessarily be racist even thought the group believes in white supremacy? That's honestly ridiculous
Why is it ridiculous? Plenty of people are members of organizations that they might not necessarily agree with. I would prefer to know more about the individual before just making assumptions about them. While it might seem extreme, I would prefer not throwing around accusations before knowing more


Original post by A$aprocky

Your point about Muslims is also wrong. If I was a muslim with extreme views that does define my character, unless i keep it to myself.


You're confusing Muslims and Islam. Your views to define you, the views of those you associate with don't. Willing associating with them, or refusing to condemn them, does mean you share their views.
Original post by NickLCFC
Why does racism just have to involve suggesting a certain race is superior or inferior. Trust me, I'm not usually one to just throw around the word 'racism' but surely his comment qualifies as prejudice towards white people (which I personally would class as racism).

If he did mean it metaphorically (which he probably did) then maybe it isn't racism. I just think the fact the he believes in the concept of white privilege and wants to prioritise the issues of 'people of colour' because of it, is racist.

It's beside the point anyway. Okay... his comment was metaphorical, but the media barely bat an eye when he says it. When Trump said something along the lines of 'they're rapists' when referring to Mexicans, the media reported it without context and it was everywhere. Do you really think Trump literally meant ALL Mexicans were rapists or don't you think that was somewhat metaphorical as well? Maybe he was referring to the higher crime rates among Mexican immigrants.


1) Prejudice does not mean racism in this case. Its definitely not racism mate. Racism does always have some form of superiority/ inferiority, which in this case doesnt. Your case for it being racism is fundementally wrong.

2) What's wrong with trying to address the issues that non whites specifically face? Its kinda makes you seem racist if you have a problem with him trying to combat the issues non white people specifically face in society. You can deny that white privilege doesnt exist all you want but it really does exist and only Bernie Sanders is prepared to do something about it. He's a socialist, he's gonna help everyone out, just this time he's addressing the non whites specifically.

3) The media avoided it because they and anyone else who heard about it understood the connotation for what he is trying to say, just in a wordy way to gain support.

4) But its not true that crime rates are higher. Migrant crime rates are lower than american native born crime rates, even in proportion. Therefore, everything he's saying is exaggerated and racist.
Original post by Farm_Ecology

Why is it ridiculous? Plenty of people are members of organizations that they might not necessarily agree with. I would prefer to know more about the individual before just making assumptions about them. While it might seem extreme, I would prefer not throwing around accusations before knowing more


You're confusing Muslims and Islam. Your views to define you, the views of those you associate with don't. Willing associating with them, or refusing to condemn them, does mean you share their views.


You're joking, right? Come on, you must be trolling. That or you're just fundementally stupid.
Original post by A$aprocky
You're joking, right? Come on, you must be trolling. That or you're just fundementally stupid.


Which part?

You believe there is no distinction between a religion and its adherents? That all members believe the exact same thing?

Or that people can be members of organizations but not agree with some or all of it's positions. To give examples: people pressured into such groups or those ignorant/in denial of its ideals. And yes, I recognize that these cases might be rare.
Original post by A$aprocky
1) Prejudice does not mean racism in this case. Its definitely not racism mate. Racism does always have some form of superiority/ inferiority, which in this case doesnt. Your case for it being racism is fundamentally wrong.

2) What's wrong with trying to address the issues that non whites specifically face? Its kinda makes you seem racist if you have a problem with him trying to combat the issues non white people specifically face in society. You can deny that white privilege doesnt exist all you want but it really does exist and only Bernie Sanders is prepared to do something about it. He's a socialist, he's gonna help everyone out, just this time he's addressing the non whites specifically.

3) The media avoided it because they and anyone else who heard about it understood the connotation for what he is trying to say, just in a wordy way to gain support.

4) But its not true that crime rates are higher. Migrant crime rates are lower than american native born crime rates, even in proportion. Therefore, everything he's saying is exaggerated and racist.


1) Fair enough. It may not be considered racism, but it's definitely prejudice.

2) I don't have a problem with him addressing issues that non-white face. I have a problem with him prioritising issues non-white people face.

3) The media avoided it because they are biased. They could have just taken Bernie's statement without context and reported on it, just like they do with most of Trump's statements.

4) Trump was talking about undocumented migrants aka illegal immigrants though. It's pretty difficult to find statistics on just Mexican immigrants alone but here are the statistics on illegals immigrants overall (most of which are Mexican). As of 2009 there was around 10.8 millions illegal immigrants in the US, here are the crime statistics from 2003-2009:



Taking homicide as an example: illegal immigrants commited just over 25k homocides, which comes out at about 58 homocides per 100,000 illegal immigrants, annually. This is much higher than the rate of the ENTIRE US through these years which was about 5.0-5.8 per 100,000 people. It's worth noting illegal Mexican immigrants make up over 70% of the total.
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If you join the KKK you're most definitely racist. Unless somehow you were just feeling lonely and were looking for some friends to hang out with one night, and saw a poster advertising a KKK meeting... and somehow had never heard of the organisation or it's ideals... and then decided to go and join them for some company.

As far as I see it he is racist. We can dance around the issue and make all the convoluted excuses we want but to me a lot of the things says and does has undertones of racism to it. Yes, Mexicans aren't a race... but the majority of Mexicans are hispanic. Yes, Islam is not a race but the majority of muslims are either Arab, asian or black. The common thread here is that his most hardline policies are directed against minorities and if you can't see that then you are in denial. He relies on the fact that his support base is made up of a number right-wing extremists (including active promoters of racism) and uses his minority bashing policies to stir them all up.

So he doesn't share the KKK's views is what people are saying. But the man refuses to denounce them on his own will, is funded by them and probably plays golf with many of them (speculation but I doubt I'm wrong.) In my opinion, any supporter of trump is a supporter of fascism, whether they see it or not.

These are my opinions, not facts. Although I value source lead arguments I also value common sense.
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