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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Friendly reminder that Bernie Sanders has made the most racist comment in this Presidential race so far:

    "When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car,"

    Nobody bats an eyelid when an actual genuine racist comment is made towards white people. Trump has said some questionable things, but I don't think he has ever been racist. I would argue nothing he has said is as bad as the comment Sanders made.
    Not racist, just metaphorically acknowledging the prevalence of white privilege that exists in our society.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    He was not associating negative characteristics to White people as Trump did with Muslims. And if you're going to pull the "Islam isn't a race" card that point is moot, as it makes no sense to suggest closing borders if you did not view Muslims that way.
    I'm going to pull the Islam isn't a race card because Islam isn't a race.
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Not racist, just metaphorically acknowledging the prevalence of white privilege that exists in our society.
    Exactly. It's not like Sanders said "White people are/do such and such", he was comparing the general struggles of non-Whites in America to the security that Whites take for granted.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    I'm going to pull the Islam isn't a race card because Islam isn't a race.
    Then how do you close borders to what isn't a race/nationality/ethnicity? You contradict yourself.
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Not racist, just metaphorically acknowledging the prevalence of white privilege that exists in our society.
    I don't acknowledge the existence of white privilege so I find it to be a racist comment.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Then how do you close borders to what isn't a race/nationality/ethnicity? You contradict yourself.
    You can't, I agree that it's a very unrealistic suggestion.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Been derogatory about Mexicans and suggested there should be a moratorium on Muslim migration until the authorities get a clue = waycist
    His policy against Muslims is entirely justifiable though. If you look at actual academic research done the views of 'integrated' Muslims, you'll find that about 60% can still be considered extremists. They're proving to be a threat to the lives of the natives so obviously the best course of action is to shut them out until they clean up their religion.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    I don't acknowledge the existence of white privilege so I find it to be a racist comment.
    Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Friendly reminder that Bernie Sanders has made the most racist comment in this Presidential race so far:

    "When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car,"

    Nobody bats an eyelid when an actual genuine racist comment is made towards white people. Trump has said some questionable things, but I don't think he has ever been racist. I would argue nothing he has said is as bad as the comment Sanders made.
    This.

    I am white. I'm also poor, I live in a horrible area, I get harassed when I walk down the street and I've been dragged out of cars by bullies a few times too. But according to Sanders that doesn't count simply because I'm white.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    His policy against Muslims is entirely justifiable though. If you look at actual academic research done the views of 'integrated' Muslims, you'll find that about 60% can still be considered extremists. They're proving to be a threat to the lives of the natives so obviously the best course of action is to shut them out until they clean up their religion.
    Since 9/11 there have been far more people killed in mass shootings in America than by Muslim extremists, the numbers aren't even comparable.
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.
    Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Even if you dont acknowledge white privilege, that still doesnt make it racist. Bernie Sanders believes (and rightly so) that white privilege exists and enjoy certain freedoms in life. If you disagree, then thats all it is. You disagree with his statement. Its not racist at all.
    Fair enough. He believes that white people don't know what it's like to live in a Ghetto, which is simply not true. The statement is just wrong, not racist.

    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    And that is why your opinion is irrelevant.
    I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.

    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.
    It's not racism, it's ignorance. He is not saying they can't, but that they don't. While it is incredibly ridiculous to say an either race does or doesn't experience something, it isnt racist.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Nope. It's still racist. He's prioritising addressing a non-existent white privilege issue over the issue of the millions of white Americans living in poverty. If I was a poor white American I'd be pretty pissed at this blatant racism.
    Do you even know what racism means? There is no reference to whites being superior nor inferior. He's generically addressing the fact that there is white privilege in society and there are numerous facts to prove that whites are better of. Its purely metaphorical not literal. Even if you were to disagree with what he said, you use the word 'stereotype'. If you take it literally, you could argue that he's stereotyping that whites are better of in society.
    Look at the meaning of the statement instead of claiming its racist.
    Nothing racist at all mate.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Fair enough. He believes that white people don't know what it's like to live in a Ghetto, which is simply not true. The statement is just wrong, not racist.

    I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.
    But you would consider a Muslim associated with the Taliban to be an extremist, would you not? So why does that not apply to someone who associates with the KKK? Why would you associate with such a group unless you agree with their views and goals?
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    He is a authoritarian and that is not what the world needs.
    *an authoritarian.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    I dont see why. Attributes of a person are made by the person themselves, not the groups they are associated with. Being a member of an organization certainly points towards that persons character, but it does not define it. Just like not all Muslims embody every aspect of Islam.
    So you're saying that a member of the KKK for example may not necessarily be racist even thought the group believes in white supremacy? That's honestly ridiculous
    Donald Trump failed to denounce the KKK and accepted their support. Showing it's plain racism. And in this case, Trump made the decision to not denounce the KKK and accepted their endorsement, which by your logic also means that he is racist.
    Your point about Muslims is also wrong. If I was a muslim with extreme views that does define my character, unless i keep it to myself.
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Do you even know what racism means? There is no reference to whites being superior nor inferior. He's generically addressing the fact that there is white privilege in society and there are numerous facts to prove that whites are better of. Its purely metaphorical not literal. Even if you were to disagree with what he said, you use the word 'stereotype'. If you take it literally, you could argue that he's stereotyping that whites are better of in society.
    Look at the meaning of the statement instead of claiming its racist.
    Nothing racist at all mate.
    Why does racism just have to involve suggesting a certain race is superior or inferior. Trust me, I'm not usually one to just throw around the word 'racism' but surely his comment qualifies as prejudice towards white people (which I personally would class as racism).

    If he did mean it metaphorically (which he probably did) then maybe it isn't racism. I just think the fact the he believes in the concept of white privilege and wants to prioritise the issues of 'people of colour' because of it, is racist.

    It's beside the point anyway. Okay... his comment was metaphorical, but the media barely bat an eye when he says it. When Trump said something along the lines of 'they're rapists' when referring to Mexicans, the media reported it without context and it was everywhere. Do you really think Trump literally meant ALL Mexicans were rapists or don't you think that was somewhat metaphorical as well? Maybe he was referring to the higher crime rates among Mexican immigrants.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    But you would consider a Muslim associated with the Taliban to be an extremist, would you not? So why does that not apply to someone who associates with the KKK? Why would you associate with such a group unless you agree with their views and goals?
    No, I wouldn't. There is a good chance they would be extremist (as with a member of a racist organization being racist), but there are reasons why someone might be associated with the organization but not be. While these cases might be rare, I think that is enough to hold off making assumptions until I know more about the individual.
    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    So you're saying that a member of the KKK for example may not necessarily be racist even thought the group believes in white supremacy? That's honestly ridiculous
    Why is it ridiculous? Plenty of people are members of organizations that they might not necessarily agree with. I would prefer to know more about the individual before just making assumptions about them. While it might seem extreme, I would prefer not throwing around accusations before knowing more


    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    Your point about Muslims is also wrong. If I was a muslim with extreme views that does define my character, unless i keep it to myself.
    You're confusing Muslims and Islam. Your views to define you, the views of those you associate with don't. Willing associating with them, or refusing to condemn them, does mean you share their views.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Why does racism just have to involve suggesting a certain race is superior or inferior. Trust me, I'm not usually one to just throw around the word 'racism' but surely his comment qualifies as prejudice towards white people (which I personally would class as racism).

    If he did mean it metaphorically (which he probably did) then maybe it isn't racism. I just think the fact the he believes in the concept of white privilege and wants to prioritise the issues of 'people of colour' because of it, is racist.

    It's beside the point anyway. Okay... his comment was metaphorical, but the media barely bat an eye when he says it. When Trump said something along the lines of 'they're rapists' when referring to Mexicans, the media reported it without context and it was everywhere. Do you really think Trump literally meant ALL Mexicans were rapists or don't you think that was somewhat metaphorical as well? Maybe he was referring to the higher crime rates among Mexican immigrants.
    1) Prejudice does not mean racism in this case. Its definitely not racism mate. Racism does always have some form of superiority/ inferiority, which in this case doesnt. Your case for it being racism is fundementally wrong.

    2) What's wrong with trying to address the issues that non whites specifically face? Its kinda makes you seem racist if you have a problem with him trying to combat the issues non white people specifically face in society. You can deny that white privilege doesnt exist all you want but it really does exist and only Bernie Sanders is prepared to do something about it. He's a socialist, he's gonna help everyone out, just this time he's addressing the non whites specifically.

    3) The media avoided it because they and anyone else who heard about it understood the connotation for what he is trying to say, just in a wordy way to gain support.

    4) But its not true that crime rates are higher. Migrant crime rates are lower than american native born crime rates, even in proportion. Therefore, everything he's saying is exaggerated and racist.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Why is it ridiculous? Plenty of people are members of organizations that they might not necessarily agree with. I would prefer to know more about the individual before just making assumptions about them. While it might seem extreme, I would prefer not throwing around accusations before knowing more


    You're confusing Muslims and Islam. Your views to define you, the views of those you associate with don't. Willing associating with them, or refusing to condemn them, does mean you share their views.
    You're joking, right? Come on, you must be trolling. That or you're just fundementally stupid.
 
 
 
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