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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Jumping off the Titanic certainly helped.

    The EU is collapsing before our very eyes. A Brexit in June would mean much yearned sovereignty for the UK. It would allow us to work independently and away from the irresponsible beaucrats who sit on the EU council creating laws for us.

    I'm voting out, and, we've luck and reason we'll succeed. And, well, it'll be a nice birthday present
    Britain leaving the EU is named as one of the top 10 threats to global security by the EIU
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Britain leaving the EU is named as one of the top 10 threats to global security by the EIU
    Oooooo frightening...
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Britain leaving the EU is named as one of the top 10 threats to global security by the EIU
    I'm going to assume you mean the Economist Intelligence Unit?
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    I'm going to assume you mean the Economist Intelligence Unit?
    EIU = economist intelligence unit

    I thought it was obvious
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    EIU = economist intelligence unit

    I thought it was obvious
    It was, but one can always make a mistake. I'd rather check than assume it's what you mean.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    FYI: Christians practise self flagellation too. In some parts of the world, they crucify themselves.
    Seems physically impossible. Once one arm is up, how to they pin/tie the other one?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    A Brexit in June would mean much yearned sovereignty for the UK. It would allow us to work independently and away from the irresponsible beaucrats who sit on the EU council creating laws for us.
    The EU Council is composed by the Heads of State and PMs of the Member States. It discusses lofty political subjects, gives general guidelines, but does not legislate

    The Council of the EU does. It is composed by the relevant Ministers from the Member States (Foreign Ministers in the Foreign Affairs Council, Environment in the Environment Council, Social Affairs, Fisheries etc etc etc)

    No bureaucrats sit in the various Councils (except, quite exceptionally, Ambassadors if replacing their respective Minister, when unable to attend. But then, they don't take the word)

    EU laws (i.e. directives and regulations) are usually adopted by the Governments (Ministers sitting in the various Councils) in cooperation with the elected European Parliament.

    Bureaucrats do not legislate in the EU. The Commission may prepare the initial legislative proposal, but it does not decide on EU legislation.

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    The EU Council is composed by the Heads of State and PMs of the Member States. It discusses lofty political subjects, gives general guidelines, but does not legislate

    The Council of the EU does. It is composed by the relevant Ministers from the Member States (Foreign Ministers in the Foreign Affairs Council, Environment in the Environment Council, Social Affairs, Fisheries etc etc etc)

    No bureaucrats sit in the various Councils (except, quite exceptionally, Ambassadors if replacing their respective Minister, when unable to attend. But then, they don't take the word)

    EU laws (i.e. directives and regulations) are usually adopted by the Governments (Ministers sitting in the various Councils) in cooperation with the elected European Parliament.

    Bureaucrats do not legislate in the EU. The Commission may prepare the initial legislative proposal, but it does not decide on EU legislation.

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    If you believe that is a democratic process and isn't just a behind closed doors deal manufacturer then you are very silly indeed


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    (Original post by paul514)
    If you believe that is a democratic process and isn't just a behind closed doors deal manufacturer then you are very silly indeed


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    deep, deep arguments, mate

    legislative proposals are published in the official journal, European Parliament's debates and votes are public

    it's up to national Parliaments to control their respective Governments, which depend from parliamentary confidence, and to public opinion to follow EU affairs with the necessary attention.

    yes, this system can be improved, if Member States are willing.

    You could have spared yourself the embarrassment of the "silly" comment

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    Playing with the readers in the comments section is so much fun though......
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    deep, deep arguments, mate

    legislative proposals are published in the official journal, European Parliament's debates and votes are public

    it's up to national Parliaments to control their respective Governments, which depend from parliamentary confidence, and to public opinion to follow EU affairs with the necessary attention.

    yes, this system can be improved, if Member States are willing.

    You could have spared yourself the embarrassment of the "silly" comment

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    I suggest you actually watch the votes in the parliament go through at one a minute.....

    They are told how to vote


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    (Original post by paul514)
    I suggest you actually watch the votes in the parliament go through at one a minute.....

    They are told how to vote


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    there can even be more votes than that in a minute... most of the discussion in fact takes place in committee, and then it takes place once again in the EP plenary. But votes are concentrated often in "voting sessions'", and are taken one after the other at high speed. The various political groups prepare "voting lists" for their Members, and then you will often see the group whips holding their thumbs up or down, telling their MEPs what the group's position is on any amendment or paragraph.... so, what ? is it a big discovery for you that political parties have official positions on subjects, and that party whips tell parliamentarians what to vote ?

    In any case, many times MEPs don't follow their party's official line in the vote; in fact, this is much more frequent in the EP than in, say, Westminster. The political groups (Socialists, People's party, Liberals, Greens etc) also often split in the vote along national lines, rather than political lines.

    Overall, MEPs display much more autonomy in their votes than, say , French or UK parliamentarians

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    there can even be more votes than that in a minute... most of the discussion in fact takes place in committee, and then it takes place once again in the EP plenary. But votes are concentrated often in "voting sessions'", and are taken one after the other at high speed. The various political groups prepare "voting lists" for their Members, and then you will often see the group whips holding their thumbs up or down, telling their MEPs what the group's position is on any amendment or paragraph.... so, what ? is it a big discovery for you that political parties have official positions on subjects, and that party whips tell parliamentarians what to vote ?

    In any case, many times MEPs don't follow their party's official line in the vote; in fact, this is much more frequent in the EP than in, say, Westminster. The political groups (Socialists, People's party, Liberals, Greens etc) also often split in the vote along national lines, rather than political lines.

    Overall, MEPs display much more autonomy in their votes than, say , French or UK parliamentarians

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    Of course I know about whips etc but there is so much legislation it is impossible to know all of what you are voting on.

    It's obvious you are a europhile but I'm not a dumb brexit flag waver who doesn't know how the place works I do.

    Your taking it at face value which as I said a couple of posts back is silly


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Of course I know about whips etc but there is so much legislation it is impossible to know all of what you are voting on.
    Members specialise on certain subjects. For the rest, they mostly follow the party line. Just like in national Parliaments. The ground work, in any case, is done in committee, where you have the system of rapporteurs/shadow rapporteurs

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    It's obvious you are a europhile
    yes. So what ?
    (Original post by paul514)
    but I'm not a dumb brexit flag waver who doesn't know how the place works I do
    .congrats

    (Original post by paul514)
    Your taking it at face value which as I said a couple of posts back is silly
    it's not at all silly, and you should refrain from using such terms

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    The Daily Mail has an unrelenting anti - Islam, pro - Israel agenda. They are clearly run by Zionists - a recent article attacked Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, branding him anti - semitic due to his support for palestinian solidarity campaigns. Boycott the daily mail and read alternative news - I watch Russia Today news instead of BBC news as it gives a much more rounded perspective without all the cultural marxist zionist sympathising
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    (Original post by raquels23)
    The Daily Mail has an unrelenting anti - Islam, pro - Israel agenda. They are clearly run by Zionists - a recent article attacked Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, branding him anti - semitic due to his support for palestinian solidarity campaigns. Boycott the daily mail and read alternative news - I watch Russia Today news instead of BBC news as it gives a much more rounded perspective without all the cultural marxist zionist sympathising
    Firstly, Corbyn associates with, is friends with and brown noses Holocaust deniers and people who outright want to kill all Jews and are on record as saying that all Jews are liars, swindlers and worse than pigs. Nobody actually called Corbyn himself anti-Semitic, they just saying that the company he keeps is questionable at best, dangerous at worst.

    Secondly...."mainstream media has an agenda so I watch RT - the Russian English language state propaganda network herp derp." :laugh: you might as well get your news on the world from North Korean TV lol

    Thirdly, I have gone to the trouble of summarising your post for you:

 
 
 
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