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    david cameron is a mixed bag, and I don't mean that in a particularly positive way...
    he is, first and foremost, a complete liar. it's either that he is a liar or he is bafflingly incompetent
    for example: "I'll put immigration numbers from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands. that is a promise"
    ...and oh look, not only is immigration still at the hundreds of thousands 6 years later, but it's actually mostly increasing.
    it took a "competent politician" like nigel farage (+UKIP) to finally, 3 years into office, for him to actually do what needed to be done: give the UK an EU referendum. was this a good thing overall? well, he waited 4 years to achieve nothing, and he should have known that he would get nothing from the EU commission. he is totally outnumbered and the consensus within the EU is totally against the consensus of the UK.
    he also has this weird tendency of coming out of nowhere with these anachronistic laws like "clamping down" on porn.

    but* is he as terrible as tony blair or gordon brown? tony blair and gordon brown in my opinion weren't as big liars as david cameron, but I don't think david cameron was as bad as they were economically. I think, overall, the economic policy changes he induced were "good". so that sums up the mixed bag that david cameron is: a minimalistically-competent liar.

    edit: but then I remember that david cameron supported the war in iraq, just like the other conservative party leaders...
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    seems a bit too middle of the road and too much like blair
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    I swear 90% of members on TSR are naive and don't know any better.

    1. The economy hasn't got better. The FTSE100 has declined by 20% since April 2015.
    2. We are still supporting the 0% interest rate and QE bubble to keep the western economies on life support.
    3. We are still going to war with countries who ditch that Petro-Dollar.
    4. Europe is buckling under huge immigration from poverty struck Africa & the Middle East.
    5. The EU referendum is set to cause huge uncertainly over the course of this year.

    Things are not getting better. They are getting worse.
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    Cameron will be a relatively forgettable PM in the long run (like Hune or Heath) however he's broadly a good PM.

    His main strength is also his great weakness in that he's too risk adverse and cautious. That's a good thing in the sense that he's a safe pair of hands but it's bad in that his nature is compromise and pander which is why we are getting an EU vote now (i think most can agree it's become a bit of a farce).
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    david cameron is a mixed bag, and I don't mean that in a particularly positive way...
    he is, first and foremost, a complete liar. it's either that he is a liar or he is bafflingly incompetent
    for example: "I'll put immigration numbers from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands. that is a promise"
    ...and oh look, not only is immigration still at the hundreds of thousands 6 years later, but it's actually mostly increasing.
    it took a "competent politician" like nigel farage (+UKIP) to finally, 3 years into office, for him to actually do what needed to be done: give the UK an EU referendum. was this a good thing overall? well, he waited 4 years to achieve nothing, and he should have known that he would get nothing from the EU commission. he is totally outnumbered and the consensus within the EU is totally against the consensus of the UK.
    he also has this weird tendency of coming out of nowhere with these anachronistic laws like "clamping down" on porn.

    but* is he as terrible as tony blair or gordon brown? tony blair and gordon brown in my opinion weren't as big liars as david cameron, but I don't think david cameron was as bad as they were economically. I think, overall, the economic policy changes he induced were "good". so that sums up the mixed bag that david cameron is: a minimalistically-competent liar.

    edit: but then I remember that david cameron supported the war in iraq, just like the other conservative party leaders...
    It may seem strange at first but you must remember that Cameron views One Nation conservatism as his own ideology and that traditionally does include a parentally conservative streak even if pragmatism pushes him towards accepting liberal measures like gay marriage.

    Osbourne is the one who's more libertarian and notably the one who pushed gay marriage within the party.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It may seem strange at first but you must remember that Cameron views One Nation conservatism as his own ideology and that traditionally does include a parentally conservative streak even if pragmatism pushes him towards accepting liberal measures like gay marriage.

    Osbourne is the one who's more libertarian and notably the one who pushed gay marriage within the party.
    I would probably disagree with this, in the run up to the 2010 election he sis claim to be on the "liberal-wing" of the conservatives. I think the difference is between libertarian and liberal, so with things like gay marriage I can imagine that Cameron was very much for it, and his perceived indifference was because of the more (small c) conservative members of his party. His one-nationism is what makes him such a great leader of the party because of how well it sells. People associate conservatism with competance and one nationism with compassion. So he can push his one nation rhetoric and one nation social policies while his cabinet pushes their post-thatcherite economic policy.

    The tories won't find as good a leader as Cameron in a long while, and though he may be overlooked slightly at the moment, he history will look very kindly on him indeed.

    It's the lack of as suitable a replacement in the tories that makes me very weary of 2020, should Corbyn become more capable in his role after 5 years practice.
 
 
 
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