Hello, I was wondering what people might make of this discussion here at U.C.L. from earlier this month:
To me it seems far too cynical. Why can't people see that schemes like Athena Swan are for the benefit of everybody, including men?
Athena Swan Criticism Watch
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- 21-03-2016 14:31
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- 23-03-2016 20:19
(Thanks T.S.R. for finally approving this thread - didn't think it would get through, as I know it's a controversial subject! )Last edited by tresfield; 23-03-2016 at 20:45.
- 24-03-2016 12:53
Cynical? I would say it is spot on. And no, Athena Swan or any of these pseudo-equality movements are not beneficial for both men and women. What happens is that women get special treatment based on gender alone, especially in STEM. Trying to aggressively force equality results in hiring someone for the sake of filling diversity quotas rather than based on merit. I am all for encouraging women to study STEM subjects, but not by pressuring universities and corporations to comply with these moronic "equality" trends. The fact of the matter is that social justice warriors are creating issues out of thin air due to their inability to interpret statistics and/or the factors that might influence them.
Why is there supposed to be a 50/50 representation of both genders? Why is it a problem that women are a minority in STEM but no one bats an eye when males are underrepresented in nursing for example? Why are there so many intellectually dishonest hypocrites who continue to ride this "women are oppressed and/or underrepresented" bandwagon. Women are anything BUT oppressed... Men and women do not make the same choices in life - genders are different on so many levels. And guess what.. It is okay for us to be different. No, this is not because of these imaginary "social constructs" that a particular group of over-zealous equality warriors like to bring up...
Sex-specific toy preferences of children in the PRE-SOCIALIZATION stage: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...rned-or-innate
Something for the poor oppressed women:
More women are going to university: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35111772
Women favored 2:1 for STEM hiring: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-jobs-in-stem/Last edited by Broscientist; 24-03-2016 at 12:59.
- 13-08-2016 18:14
What is Athena Swan doing about the fact that there are 35% more women going to university than men? Women benefit so much from all these schemes of course we don't want to criticize them. The fact is that women make different choices from men because they are different from men and this results in them being under-represented in some areas and over-represented in other. We need to give women credit as agents and who actively shape the world around them. Where we see differences this is a result of the positive choices we make.