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    Maggie Gylenhaal was never desirable in the first place. She looks like she teleported from the 1940s.
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    (Original post by Silver Arrow)
    Maggie Gylenhaal was never desirable in the first place. She looks like she teleported from the 1940s.
    What's unattractive about that? You could argue that women of the 40s are way more stylish than 2010s celebs...

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    The problem with this gender relationship evolution is that it doesn't look at the whole picture, people are influenced by society, media and their own personalities. In general we know that men and women are attracted to good looks and that these reduce with age (loss of hair, skin elasticity etc) yet some people are still attracted to much older people ie Cougars and sugar daddy's and value them for their experience. Some people do find certain 60 year old women and men attractive. Many people don't even find the opposite sex attractive yet I don't hear anything about this evolution theory explaining the biology behind this.
    Yes, it's true that sexual attraction is a complex thing. I was talking about the general situation for the majority of people, there are always exceptions to the rule. There are various scientific explanations for homosexuality and transgender and gerontophilia and various other minority gender/sexuality identities and there are various cultural and societal variations on the same, but the things I stated are universals, in the sense that they apply throughout 90% of human cultures and to the vast majority of people.

    From my experience, in terms of women feeling invisible it's important to bear in mind that women often ask for more than men. Women tend to want relationships whereas men are often happy to just have no strings sex. A woman, if she has looked after herself, can generally get sex up to an old age, it's relationships which are harder to get and so women will feel hard done to. It's stupid of feminism to state that 60 year old women should be found attractive since besides the few sugar daddy seekers most 60 year old men are not, so that wouldn't be equality.

    A better feminist approach is to promote other values in women besides some ideal look.
    Indeed, and that's the best approach in general. I would posit that it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate against women you don't find attractive for sexual purposes. It's not acceptable to discriminate them in non-sexual contexts. And vice versa with women and men. Society is very superficial and sexualised, we forget that attractiveness has no real bearing on anything outside of the bedroom. That being said, the line is a little blurry as regards art and other cultural representations, including advertising. Is it OK to use skinnier than average women to advertise clothes if it is proven that that is more likely to sell clothes? Is it OK to cast younger women in films in situations?

    When art imitates life it necessarily also ends up not only imitating bad things but also reinforcing them. The situation is even worse for commercial representation which seeks not only to imitate life but to exploit prejudices and biases and stands to be damaged by trying to fight them too much (it would be nice to see some 12-14 stone women rather than the usual 5 stone models on the catwalk in Paris, but I appreciate that any fashion house that actually did that would lose huge amounts of money). I would posit that it should be allowed a certain amount of license to imitate life, but it should also make some kind of effort to change harmful beliefs and assumptions (it would be ridiculous for example to mandate that at least 7% of all acting roles in a TV series should be cast as Asians, even in something like Downton Abbey where that is grossly ahistorical. But it should be encouraged to aim for increased representation of Asians on television in general).

    The evolution theory is just one theory showing only part of the picture. It's not just biology but society and media are proven to have a heavy influence on what we find attractive and to an extent women's values and age won't be excluded in this. For example it is drilled into our heads that a skirt is feminine and that trousers are masculine, this isn't biology ..a skirt is just a piece of material yet somehow we swear that skirts only look natural and attractive on women.
    Evolution is just a process, its products are genetics and human psychology, and those certainly aren't 'theoretical'. We are getting to a point now where they are no longer poorly understood, some elements of them are quite well understood. Culture and media can be very influential, but there are certain things hardcoded into 90% of human beings. Sexuality is a continuum and a tendency rather than a set-in-stone law, but it is that tendency towards younger and more attractive people that is impossible to fully eradicate in most people's sexuality.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    What's unattractive about that? You could argue that women of the 40s are way more stylish than 2010s celebs...

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    She looks like a grandma - just hideously unattractive. Her dress sense sucks too. Its almost like someone hit her in the face with a shovel. Diane Lane is older and looks so much more attractive.
 
 
 
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