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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    :lol: I quoted what you were referring to. Do you see those little blue boxes above where the response is typed?

    QE2 picked you up on this gross underestimate, and he's a very sharp guy
    I see you don't know what 1,500 was referring to.

    It is approximately how many Islamic extremists have gone on attacks specifically against westerners, in the west and in other countries to attack westerners. The point is, it's a tiny fraction of Muslims, regardless of whether it is an order of 10 lower or higher than the actual number.
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    [QUOTE=Reformed;63580203]none of those could find any sort of religious justification for their crimes
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    in my view, the main point is that those who hold a favourable view about ISIS, are very unlikely to report any suspicious activities going on which could be attributed to ISIS

    support by omission is still support
    you have to accept that these islamists could not have operated under the radr in molenbeek ( a large islamic community) for so long with out tacit support from other community members.
    people seem to think ideology is not a problem , when it is at the root cause for pretty much all islamic terrorism. all it needs is a politcal motive to spark an attrocity .. all the apologists for islamic groups and their ideology are linked in some part to each attrocity im afraid.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    It is approximately how many Islamic extremists have gone on attacks specifically against westerners, in the west and in other countries to attack westerners. The point is, it's a tiny fraction of Muslims, regardless of whether it is an order of 10 lower or higher than the actual number.
    And you used that number to refer to the number of active Islamists, which is clearly dishonest and an underestimate. You've been caught out, have the grace to stop digging

    It's clearly not "1500 out of 1.5 billion" who hold these views and support this kind of behaviour, and we are absolutely entitled to blame the tens of millions of Muslims who support these actions for creating the atmosphere that allows this ideology to grow
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    (Original post by Rk2k14)
    Their version of Islam.

    Interesting.
    Yes, that is exactly the point I'm making, they have an interpretation of Islam, but it is still Islam and the claim that they are not true Muslims and are not inspired by Islamic ideology is false and actually dangerous, because it means we're not addressing the problem at its core.

    How many more attacks on European cities by not true Muslims are we going to tolerate before something is done about the backwards, violent ideology that is Islam?
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    And you used that number to refer to the number of active Islamists, which is clearly dishonest and an underestimate. You've been caught out, have the grace to stop digging

    It's clearly not "1500 out of 1.5 billion" who hold these views and support this kind of behaviour, and we are absolutely entitled to blame the tens of millions of Muslims who support these actions for creating the atmosphere that allows this ideology to grow
    Oh give over, stop putting words in my mouth.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Asks for evidence.
    Shown evidence.
    Rejects evidence.

    SMH.
    sorry I did that by accident
    I've replied somewhere to you're overly annotated diagram of my writing somewhere lol.
    Also please note that I only said spur hate when a person suggested that all British muslims take integration tests, so please don't take my text out of context to manipulate what I was trying to argue.
    Spread love not hate
    May God/ Allah bless you

    Peace and love

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    (Original post by missfats)
    Next time I'm reading the quran, I'll make sure I don't get inspired to blow anyone up.

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    Was that supposed to be funny?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Oh give over, stop putting words in my mouth.
    I'm using your own words, grow up and take responsibility for what you said. You said

    Yes Muslims should denounce them more strongly, but at the same time people should stop blaming 1.5 billion people for the actions of less than 1,500.
    There are clearly far more than 1500 Muslims who are responsible for the jihadist movement, both in the West and abroad, and you are being clearly dishonest to try to claim that the only people who count towards that number are those who have been involved in attacks in the West.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Was that supposed to be funny?
    Considering you claimed that the quran tells us to do this.

    I suppose if it wasn't a deeply distressing topic, it would be hilarious.

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    How the hell are we gonna deal with this?
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    I'm using your own words, grow up and take responsibility for what you said. You said


    There are clearly far more than 1500 Muslims who are responsible for the jihadist movement, both in the West and abroad, and you are being clearly dishonest to try to claim that the only people who count towards that number are those who have been involved in attacks in the West.
    Didn't read what i said :facepalm:

    1,500 is roughly the number who, in the past, have attacked westerners.

    And even if it is 15,000 or 150, it is still a tiny percentile of all Muslims worldwide, and it is therefore unfair to blame all Muslims for the actions of 0.001% of them.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    Considering you claimed that the quran tells us to do this.

    I suppose if it wasn't a deeply distressing topic, it would be hilarious.

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    No, I said they are inspired by the Qur'an, having their own extreme interpretation. There are certainly verses in there about fighting until there is no religion except for that of Allah.

    What's ridiculous is your insinuation that ISIS don't get any of their ideas from Islam.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I see you don't know what 1,500 was referring to.

    It is approximately how many Islamic extremists have gone on attacks specifically against westerners, in the west and in other countries to attack westerners. The point is, it's a tiny fraction of Muslims, regardless of whether it is an order of 10 lower or higher than the actual number.
    so why arnrt you comparing this figure to the much smaller number of muslims who live in europe ( approx 50m) rather than the billion world population you quoted earlier?

    if we look at islamic terrorism accross the globe, we are probably talkng about 100 of times more attrocities

    and i take it from your silence you are in fact simply a muslim that has no problem with islamic doctrine
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Didn't read what i said :facepalm:

    1,500 is roughly the number who, in the past, have attacked westerners.
    No, you said that all Muslims should not be blamed "for the actions of 1500 out of 1.5 billion". Clearly there are far more than 1500 who are involved in the Islamist ideology, who finance it and provide material and moral support.

    You said the words, stop getting huffy and upset when you are called on it.

    And even if it is 15,000 or 150, it is still a tiny percentile of all Muslims worldwide, and it is therefore unfair to blame all Muslims for the actions of 0.001% of them.
    It's not 15000, it's tens of millions. And yes, Muslims as a whole are responsible for allowing this cancer to grow in their community. How is it that every other community in the world, Chinese, Jews, Hindus, South Americans, manage to get along just fine without becoming hysterical at the tiniest perceived slight and blowing people up and making threats?
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    so why arnrt you comparing this figure to the much smaller number of muslims who live in europe ( approx 50m) rather than the billion world population you quoted earlier?

    if we look at islamic terrorism accross the globe, we are probably talkng about 100 of times more attrocities

    and i take it from your silence you are in fact simply a muslim that has no problem with islamic doctrine
    If you didn't get the vibe, I had enough of you twisting my words.
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    terror attack in France?

    same thing can be said for brussel and istanbul too.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Didn't read what i said :facepalm:

    1,500 is roughly the number who, in the past, have attacked westerners.

    And even if it is 15,000 or 150, it is still a tiny percentile of all Muslims worldwide, and it is therefore unfair to blame all Muslims for the actions of 0.001% of them.
    If Islam is a sect that venerates a terrorist god and a terrorist prophet, I disagree.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Yeah I know
    I don't believe they are religious or are doing it in the name of religion. If your doing it in the name of Islam why would you be killing your own people? They bomb Mosques...kill their own 'fellow' Muslims in these attacks etc...Wasn't one of the police officers in the Charlie Hebdo attacks Muslim?
    Here's the tragic irony, they are killing other "Muslims" because they do not consider them to be True Muslims - exactly as you view them.
    The difference is, they follow a version of Islam that takes all the stuff about killing those who oppose or reject (their version of) Islam, very seriously, rather than ignoring it, as most Muslims do.

    It's a difficult position to be in. They want to condemn them for being barbaric murdering scum, but at the same time, they know that ISIS are following an Islam that is closer to that which was practised by Muhammad in 7th century Arabia.





    For me they just have their own evil ideology and are just using religion to justify it because religion is the one thing that cannot be disregarded.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    No, you said that all Muslims should not be blamed "for the actions of 1500 out of 1.5 billion". Clearly there are far more than 1500 who are involved in the Islamist ideology, who finance it and provide material and moral support.

    You said the words, stop getting huffy and upset when you are called on it.



    It's not 15000, it's tens of millions. And yes, Muslims as a whole are responsible for allowing this cancer to grow in their community
    Maybe I was unclear earlier but I'm telling you RIGHT NOW that 1,500 refers to the number of Muslims who have actively gone out and attacked westerners, either in the west or in their own countries against western tourists.

    There are definitely thousands more who are extremist, but not terrorists.
 
 
 
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