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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    You just wait around for terrorist attacks so you can undermine all muslims and Islam, you have no respect for those that have died. You make me sick.
    Aren't the terrorist attacks endorsed in the quran and carried out by Muhammad sufficient to undermine Islam, in particular the first pillar of Islam?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)


    Helping the situation? Absoloutely, pointing out the absurdity in the woefully disgusting and willfully ignorant logic far too many politicans media and therefore civilians believe is absolutely the most helpful thing i can do to educate people and show them the lies and absurdity of their thinking

    Let me tell you what does not help:

    1) Offering thoughts and prayers
    2) Trying to blindly defend the reasons, motivations and intentions as well as irrefutable evidence of the link between Islam and blowing innocent civilians to pieces
    3) Telling others it has nothing to do with Islam

    2 and 3 are tremendously harmful and those who continue to 2 and 3 are complicit in all future attacks by Islamic terrorism

    You might think it makes you appear intelligent and tolerant but you are batting for the islamists and ISIS
    So basically, you're telling me what we should go around spamming sarcastic and ignorant comments about Islam instead of trying to tackle the divisions within Islam itself?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    If members of ISIS believe in Allah, Muhammad and quote the Quran then I find it impossible to see how anyone could, in an intellectually honest way say they are not Muslim. It's just that their version is a lot more literal and extreme which is why radicalisation that leads to this must be tackled. Crying "this has nothing to do with Islam", as well as being moronic, is just ignoring the problem.
    when Lenin organised the October 1917 Revolution in Russia, he was the leader of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers' Party (soon to become the All-Russian Communist Party)

    it took some Socialist/Communist parties in Western Europe 50 years or more to renounce Marxism as their official ideology and to give full allegiance to parliamentary democracy

    hopefully, Islamic "revisionism" will be a bit more speedy (but I'm not holding my breath)
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    le religion of peace
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    How are these guys getting into Europe ? Surely it's easy to notice someone coming from Syria or somewhere at the airports
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You should be extremely happy that the vast majority of Muslims are good, tolerant people. Otherwise you'd see dozens of these sorts of attacks every few days.
    You expect me to be grateful that not all Muslims are violent extremists that want to kill me?


    What kind of warped, cuck-based apologist bs is this.
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    (Original post by OddFuturez)
    How are these guys getting into Europe ? Surely it's easy to notice someone coming from Syria or somewhere at the airports
    Home grown terrorists.


    Not much can be done about the Muslims born in Europe that become extremists and hate the west and civilians, sadly.
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    (Original post by OddFuturez)
    How are these guys getting into Europe ? Surely it's easy to notice someone coming from Syria or somewhere at the airports

    Many are "refugees".
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Wondered how long it would be before someone brought this verse up.
    At least you had the honesty to quote it in full. Most Muslims miss out the "unless it be for murder or fasad" bit!
    However, you forgot to mention the next verse, which details who may be killed, what for, and how.
    "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth to cause corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land." 5:33

    If we consult Ibn Kathir
    http://www.alim.org/library/quran/Al...afsir/TIK/5/32
    we see that "wage war" is described as including "opposition, contradiction and disbelief".
    He also describes "fasad" as meaning "disbelief and acts of disobedience"
    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...sk=view&id=436

    So, as we can see, taken in context and with the benefit of exegesis by classical Islamic scholars, that verse actually supports the killing of those who oppose Islam, disbelieve or disobey god's law.

    Now, obviously, there will be people who reject the work of such scholars, and form their own interpretations - as they are entitled to do - but it is somewhat naive to claim that such DIY interpretations carry more weight with the Ummah than possibly the most widely used and accepted of all the tafsir.

    Dealt with this one already.
    Hi there,
    I don't follow such a scholar so I can't comment on his interpretations of the Quran
    They use Hanbali school of thought in Saudi Arabia and not Ismail Ibn Kathir so solely citing his work is careless.
    I need to go now I have Biology work to do but it was nice to hear that you are well educated on one of the more extremer Shafi'i school of thoughts and quoting one scholars perception of Islam.
    Thank you

    Allah/ God bless you
    NK
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    So basically, you're telling me what we should go around spamming sarcastic and ignorant comments about Islam instead of trying to tackle the divisions within Islam itself?
    I have spammed nothing. I have not made an ignorant or sarcastic comment. I made two analogies that I would hope even someone like you could comprehend

    You want me to solve the divisions in Islam lmfao.. I am not GOD - I simply want people to understand the truth behind these attacks which is that they would not come about without Islam. Its THAT SIMPLE
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    (Original post by sunni money)
    You expect me to be grateful that not all Muslims are violent extremists that want to kill me?


    What kind of warped, cuck-based apologist bs is this.
    I'm just saying that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you, otherwise you would have been killed long ago.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    I have spammed nothing. I have not made an ignorant or sarcastic comment. I made two analogies that I would hope even someone like you could comprehend
    And now you're resorting to personal insults.

    Don't kid yourself, you made two sarcastic comments about Islam which are not helping the situation at all. If anything, it's contributing to the influx of racism which is helping recruit these extremists into terrorists.
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    (Original post by NK18444)
    Did Hitlers acts have anything to do with Catholicism?
    Perhaps a little, but they had far more to do with the ideology in Mein Kampf, which was formed via a number of influences.

    Did Myra Hindley and Ian Brady's acts have anything to do with Christianity?
    No. But neither of them claimed that they did. :confused:

    These inhumane idiots have a warped perception of religion. Terrorism is not Islamic or Christian.
    Can't disagree. But that's not really the issue. It is whether their motivation is ideological, and if it is, what is that ideology?
    The answer is pretty clear.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I'm just saying that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you, otherwise you would have been killed long ago.
    But a very large proportion hold vile views and a worryingly large number do wish me harm and see me as a legitimate target of 'revenge' because I am a citizen of the West.


    The 95% of a group that don't want to kill me is of no respite when the 5% that do are in my neighbourhood (hypothetical numbers).
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    (Original post by sunni money)
    But a very large proportion hold vile views and a worryingly large number do wish me harm and see me as a legitimate target of revenge because I am a citizen of the West.


    The 95% of a group that don't want to kill me is of no respite when the 5% that do are in my neighbourhood (hypothetical numbers).
    You're a victim of right-wing scaremongering.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    And now you're resorting to personal insults.

    Don't kid yourself, you made two sarcastic comments about Islam which are not helping the situation at all. If anything, it's contributing to the influx of racism which is helping recruit these extremists into terrorists.
    Wrong on every count yet again. I hope for your sake you are a young kid, 17 or under

    Class dismissed
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Aren't the terrorist attacks endorsed in the quran and carried out by Muhammad sufficient to undermine Islam, in particular the first pillar of Islam?
    lmao please explain and I will be happy to assist you?
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    (Original post by sunni money)
    But a very large proportion hold vile views and a worryingly large number do wish me harm and see me as a legitimate target of 'revenge' because I am a citizen of the West.


    The 95% of a group that don't want to kill me is of no respite when the 5% that do are in my neighbourhood (hypothetical numbers).
    The people of Afghanistan and Iraq also thought of themselves as targets of the West.

    Don't be so dramatic about how you feel like a target. People from 3rd world countries face the threat of terrorism and western intervention right at their doorstep every goddam day , just like you feel like that about isis.
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    (Original post by Rk2k14)
    Agree that radicalisation must be tackled and that just because someone refers to himself as the caliph, it is not the view of the rest of the religion.
    thats true, historically a caliph had to kill a lot of people before he was recognised as undisputed caliph ( , Mu‘awiyah for example). that is the islamic tradition, IS are very much in keeping with that
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You're a victim of right-wing scaremongering.
    Wrong.
    In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified in Europe:
    • (36 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
    • (30 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
    • (17 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.
    • (31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
    In mainly Muslim countries:
    • (55 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    • (39 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
    • (57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.
    • (72 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    • (31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.
    • (29 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.
    It doesn't look like 99.9-0.1% to me, the average in Europe is about 70-30%, and that gets (far) uglier in Muslim countries.
 
 
 
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