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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Wrong on every count yet again. I hope for you're sake you are a young kid, 17 or under
    'wrong on every count again' - great explanation, I think you're the under 17 year old here, given that you can't formulate a basic counterargument without insulting me.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    The people of Afghanistan and Iraq also thought of themselves as targets of the West.

    Don't be so dramatic about how you feel like a target. People from 3rd world countries face the threat of terrorism and western intervention right at their doorstep every goddam day , just like you feel like that about isis.
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    people in 3rd world are at more danger from islamic groups than anyone else. where is there a significant western intervention currently going on?

    western interventions are generally required BECAUSE of unchecked islamist groups operating there
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    (Original post by missfats)
    The people of Afghanistan and Iraq also thought of themselves as targets of the West.
    Source?


    Not targets of Saddam Hussein's vile dictatorship? Not targets of the Taliban's racism or Islamism?


    The West never deliberately targeted/targets civilians. The West intervenes to help civilians abroad, and we get hatred from Taliban-apologists like you for our efforts.

    Don't be so dramatic about how you feel like a target. People from 3rd world countries face the threat of terrorism and western intervention right at their doorstep every goddam day , just like you feel like that about isis.
    Western intervention is no "threat", it is their only chance of salvation for many civilians in such hell-holes.
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    (Original post by sunni money)
    Wrong.
    [/list]It doesn't look like 99.9-0.1% to me, the average in Europe is about 70-30%, and that gets (far) uglier in Muslim countries.
    Your source is 9 years old. Attitudes change, and since then we've had the rise of ISIS, the Syrian Civil War, numerous attacks on western civilians.

    I'd be very surprised if those figures are the same now.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I'm just saying that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you, otherwise you would have been killed long ago.
    If Al-Qaeda or Islamic State founded a religion like Muhammad did, would that mean that Al-Qaeda and Islamic State would be no longer terrorist organisations, and Muhammad would no longer be a genocidal warlord responsible for the deaths of millions?
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    (Original post by Onde)
    If Al-Qaeda or Islamic State founded a religion like Muhammad did, would that mean that Al-Qaeda and Islamic State would be no longer terrorist organisations, and Muhammad would no longer be a genocidal warlord responsible for the deaths of millions?
    What are you blabbing on about?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I'm just saying that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you, otherwise you would have been killed long ago.
    There are millions of white supremacists in Europe, evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill, otherwise there would be no immigrants in Europe

    Therefore white supremacy is fine, stop demonising white supremacists
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Your source is 9 years old. Attitudes change, and since then we've had the rise of ISIS, the Syrian Civil War, numerous attacks on western civilians.

    I'd be very surprised if those figures are the same now.
    I hope you're sitting down, then. Here are the results of the 2013 poll:



    You said it was 0.1% of Muslims, but this shows that it's about 50x higher than that in parts of Europe (roughly 5%). 7-40% in ME/NA.


    Yeah, not seeing this 99.9% of Muslims that are opposed to killing civilians.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    'wrong on every count again' - great explanation, I think you're the under 17 year old here, given that you can't formulate a basic counterargument without insulting me.
    I am done wasting my time with you. You have continually and errantly thrown daggers at me from the off and each and every one i have swiftly dismissed all of which you have not even acknowledged.

    I am not wasting time engaging with a kid who does not want an honest and fair discussion
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you.
    hey, that's a huge relief

    guess that tonight, we'll go out and celebrate

    (we won't take the tube however : who knows what the minority will be up to...)
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I'm just saying that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet, and evidently the vast majority of them do not want to kill you, otherwise you would have been killed long ago.
    not really 75% of the world are non muslims and essentially have the vastly superior armed forces and arms. the islamic empire was arrested in its attempted expansions a few hundred years ago

    the point he is making that you are missing is that a significant proportion if muslims are demonstrating ( via Pew research anyway) a propensity to jihadist and islamist groups and their ideology - the reason is that this ideolgy is fundamentally part of islam - so muslims like yourself that sypathise with it, can at some point develop into people like those involved in the belgium attacks
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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    lmao please explain and I will be happy to assist you?
    Well, I mean, the qur'an has passages condoned terrorist acts, and Muhammad and his followers have slaughtered rather a lot of people over the centuries. The first pillar of Islam says there is no god but Allah, and recognises Muhammad as its messenger, which would suggest that all Muslims support the actions of a terrorist god and a terrorist messenger.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    So you are saying that Islam calls for the destruction of our civilization.

    Could the same not be said of basically every other major religion, as they all call for a theocracy.

    It would seem they are, based on what you say and irrespective of their opinions on any issue, our de facto enemies by propagating this belief. How is it you can believe that they aren't all our enemies, yet believe this^^. I realise I have made a number of assumptions though.
    In short, as an oversimplification; Islamic ideology is the enemy, as it calls for the physical and temporal subjugation of the world to Islam. (Other religions do not do this. At best, they call for a spiritual monopoly, and they do not insist on scriptural literal infallibility and universal application)

    Muslims are not the enemy because they do not all explicitly call for this. Some do. They are the enemy.

    However, all those who refuse to condemn or reject the ideology are complicit (albeit unwittingly) in the actions of the enemy.

    BTW, I don't like using "enemy", but will in order to simplify my answer.
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    (Original post by sunni money)
    I hope you're sitting down, then. Here are the results of the 2013 poll:



    You said it was 0.1% of Muslims, but this shows that it's about 50x higher than that in parts of Europe (roughly 5%). 7-40% in ME/NA.


    Yeah, not seeing this 99.9% of Muslims that are opposed to killing civilians.
    You do realise that only shows the percentages who think bombings in defence of Islam is justified?

    Come back when you've got a poll which says that x% of Muslims would personally do suicide bombings.

    There's a difference between those who think its justified and those who would willingly do it.
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    Im muslim, and the media is soo against Islam, we need to do someting about the media
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    (Original post by Slipandsquirm)
    Corruption and mischief are very vague terms though. Weren't Charlie Hebdo mischievous?

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    They were certainly guilty of "fasad" and "waging war", by Ibn Kathir's standard.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    not really 75% of the world are non muslims and essentially have the vastly superior armed forces and arms. the islamic empire was arrested in its attempted expansions a few hundred years ago

    the point he is making that you are missing is that a significant proportion if muslims are demonstrating ( via Pew research anyway) a propensity to jihadist and islamist groups and their ideology - the reason is that this ideolgy is fundamentally part of islam - so muslims like yourself that sypathise with it, can at some point develop into people like those involved in the belgium attacks
    You just said I was a Muslim, I can't really take your reply seriously. I am not going to argue with someone who makes up facts.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    What are you blabbing on about?
    There is no real difference in the atrocities committed by Al-Qaeda & Islamic State, and those committed or condoned by Muhammad. What is the difference between a terrorist organisation and a religion in your view? And does such a distinction even matter?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You do realise that only shows the percentages who think bombings in defence of Islam is justified?
    Yes. Those supporting the bombing of civilians are no better than those that carry out the bombings.


    I find it amazingly how you are just willing to brush off such sickening statistics.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    thats true, historically a caliph had to kill a lot of people before he was recognised as undisputed caliph ( , Mu‘awiyah for example). that is the islamic tradition, IS are very much in keeping with that
    Well in previous Islamic tradition, the caliph was chosen through a process of consultation via the community (some consider an early form of Islamic democracy).

    Wouldn't put my money on the community having any say in whether Al-Baghdadi was the true caliph.
    Unless you include those who probably had a knife to their throat.
 
 
 
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