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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You're rejecting Muslim culture and the Islamic faith, telling us that it is "incompatible with western culture".

    That is right-wing, in every sense of the definition.

    From wikipedia:

    "The phrase far right, by contrast, is used to describe those who favor an absolutist government, which uses the power of the state to support the dominant ethnic group or religion and often to criminalize other ethnic groups or religions."

    You are supporting the dominant ethnic groups and religions by criticising Islam - that would label you as 'far right' in this specific, sole regard. So if this is considered 'far right', you are certainly within the right-spectrum by being so critical and skeptical of Islam.

    How many times can you deny the same thing in 24 hours, I wonder?
    Except I am not using that absolute. I am saying that it needs to change, not that it can never change. Christianity isn't perfect either, but it is somewhat better than Islam. Of course, as an atheist I would prefer it if none of it existed but that isn't likely. So your point is moot.

    It is not exclusively right wing to dismiss or to challenge a religion based on logic and current events. I don't care how many times you say it, it doesn't make it any more true.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    want to watch us criticising Christianity ?

    you only have to ask...
    Praise the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!
    For any Christian who are feeling aroused, celebrate your Lord...

    https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY

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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Christianity isn't perfect either, but it is somewhat better than Islam.
    I entirely agree.

    Christianity has improved dramatically in the last couple of decades, by the way (doesn't mean it's true, either, of course)

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    (Original post by chemting)
    Praise the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!
    For any Christian who are feeling aroused, celebrate your Lord...

    https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY

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    well, Jesus did say turn the other cheek...
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    (Original post by The Radman)
    It's very strange how the two suicide bombers had criminal pasts.



    Islamic State always present this view of themselves as pious religious warriors, but every member we have learned about, these suicide bombers, Jihadi John are not pious scholars or intelligent people who had great prospects in life, but losers, people who are socially alienated who know in their heart they have no way to succeed in mainstream society.
    my opinion : mostly misfits

    "rebels without a cause" who finally found one : an Islamic one (unfortunately for Islam)
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    my opinion : mostly misfits

    "rebels without a cause" who finally found one : an Islamic one (unfortunately for Islam)
    I believe one of them had an arrest for armed robbery, after that on your record, there is no real way back into society, so they double down on their religion and go for martyrdom. I honestly do think better education would help, not because it would make them less Islamic, but because if they have something to live for, they are less likely to find something to die for.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Except I am not using that absolute. I am saying that it needs to change, not that it can never change. Christianity isn't perfect either, but it is somewhat better than Islam. Of course, as an atheist I would prefer it if none of it existed but that isn't likely. So your point is moot.

    It is not exclusively right wing to dismiss or to challenge a religion based on logic and current events. I don't care how many times you say it, it doesn't make it any more true.
    Stop making this into an anti-religion discussion, this is specifically anti-Islam in the context of Muslims coming to Britain. With regard to religion in general, it's different, because right-wing is generally in favour of the native religion.

    And your posts are filled with anti-Islam hate, you are hardly "calling for change" as you claim.

    eg:

    "D'awww poor Muslims."
    "The religion of peace"
    "And you didn't get attacked or assaulted? Not even groped?"
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    We are losing the war against ISIS. Just what the hell do they want us to do? We can't take anymore attacks, our way of life is being changed. If ISIS just told us what they want us to do then we'd be happy to do it instead of anymore horrible attacks.
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    (Original post by The Radman)
    I believe one of them had an arrest for armed robbery, after that on your record, there is no real way back into society, so they double down on their religion and go for martyrdom. I honestly do think better education would help, not because it would make them less Islamic, but because if they have something to live for, they are less likely to find something to die for.
    Salah Abdeslam was something of a boozing womaniser - very popular in Molenbeek. He left education early, dabbled a bit with drugs but finally found a job with the Brussels transport system.

    Unfortunately, he attempted a naive, bungled robbery, which landed him in jail - where, most likely, he started his radicalisation process. He also lost his job, and once out, mostly drifted around (opened a bar which was closed down for being a drug trafficking spot)

    In Molenbeek, everyone seemed surprised at his rapid radicalisation (which also involved one of his brothers - the other one actually worked in the office of Molenbeek's Mayor'). Apparently, he started praying just six months before taking part in the Paris attacks...

    Frankly, he just seems a lost soul - but of course, his responsibilities are huge.

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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    We are losing the war against ISIS. Just what the hell do they want us to do? We can't take anymore attacks, our way of life is being changed. If ISIS just told us what they want us to do then we'd be happy to do it instead of anymore horrible attacks.
    most of us do not share in your defeatist mood

    several of our European countries have lived with terrorism fpr years on end... why should it be any different now ?
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    We are losing the war against ISIS. Just what the hell do they want us to do? We can't take anymore attacks, our way of life is being changed. If ISIS just told us what they want us to do then we'd be happy to do it instead of anymore horrible attacks.
    This is nonsense, on 9/11, 2,996 people died because of Al-Qaeda.

    An attack with some 30 people dead isn't going to change us if the USA recovered from 9/11.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Stop making this into an anti-religion discussion, this is specifically anti-Islam in the context of Muslims coming to Britain. With regard to religion in general, it's different, because right-wing is generally in favour of the native religion.

    And your posts are filled with anti-Islam hate, you are hardly "calling for change" as you claim.

    eg:

    "D'awww poor Muslims."
    "The religion of peace"
    "And you didn't get attacked or assaulted? Not even groped?"
    I've already told you, I'm an atheist, I don't care for any religion whatsoever.
    And out of those three posts you quoted or paraphrased, at least two of those were tongue in cheek, designed to get a response. The basis of your argument is to try and demonise me in order to ensure that the genuine criticism I make is ignored or deflected. A typical tactic of a sympathiser like yourself.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)

    And your posts are filled with anti-Islam hate,
    I know that Frank will not read my post, but who cares ?

    just for everyone else :

    -is there something wrong in being anti-Islam ?

    -is there something wrong in being "right-wing" ?

    -should everyone be "left-wing" ?

    By the way, I am rather on the left : but, by definition, you can be on the left only if someone else is on the right

    problems, problems ...
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    I've already told you, I'm an atheist, I don't care for any religion whatsoever.
    And out of those three posts you quoted or paraphrased, at least two of those were tongue in cheek, designed to get a response. The basis of your argument is to try and demonise me in order to ensure that the genuine criticism I make is ignored or deflected. A typical tactic of a sympathiser like yourself.
    I find it hilarious that you call me a terrorist sympathiser when I have shown no sympathy towards terrorists, meanwhile you deny being right-wing despite having very right-wing views on Islam.

    Not to mention you practically admitted you were a troll several posts ago.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    -is there something wrong in being anti-Islam ?
    I'm more concerned when people are in favour of Islam.

    (Original post by mariachi)
    -is there something wrong in being "right-wing" ?
    Well, according to the liberal society we live in 'right-wing = racists'. Interesting that many leading Democrats were in favour of segregation in the United States. I often enjoy the conversation that ensues when my liberal American acquaintances call me a bigot and sexist for not supporting 'the party of liberation', aka. Democrats.

    (Original post by mariachi)
    -should everyone be "left-wing" ?
    And dress like Corbyn? No, thank you. I'd rather wear a suit that fits me
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    I'm more concerned when people are in favour of Islam.

    Well, according to the liberal society we live in 'right-wing = racists'. Interesting that many leading Democrats were in favour of segregation in the United States. I often enjoy the conversation that ensues when my liberal American acquaintances call me a bigot and sexist for not supporting 'the party of liberation', aka. Democrats.

    And dress like Corbyn? No, thank you. I'd rather wear a suit that fits me
    Another victim of Daily Mail scaremongering.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    I'm more concerned when people are in favour of Islam.

    Well, according to the liberal society we live in 'right-wing = racists'. Interesting that many leading Democrats were in favour of segregation in the United States. I often enjoy the conversation that ensues when my liberal American acquaintances call me a bigot and sexist for not supporting 'the party of liberation', aka. Democrats.

    And dress like Corbyn? No, thank you. I'd rather wear a suit that fits me
    thanks for your post

    my main point is this : you are always left-wing in comparison to someone who is right-wing

    if no one is right-wing, then no one is left-wing either

    so, left-wingers desperately need right-wingers, and vice-versa

    just like the non-Kuffar (i.e. Muslims) need the Kuffar (non-Muslims).

    What would eeman (faith) be, without kufr (disbelief) ?

    are we just two sides of the same coin ?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Another victim of Daily Mail scaremongering.
    Oh, believe me I don't have time to read the 'news', but nice try.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Oh, believe me I don't have time to read the 'news', but nice try.
    So why do you have a massive fear over Islam? Or in your exact words, a 'concern for people who favour Islam'?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I find it hilarious that you call me a terrorist sympathiser when I have shown no sympathy towards terrorists, meanwhile you deny being right-wing despite having very right-wing views on Islam.

    Not to mention you practically admitted you were a troll several posts ago.
    You have made it clear throughout that you are practically a terrorist sympathiser. That much is fact. Just like it's fact that I am not right wing.

    I make posts which stir the pot. I'm not a troll. There's a difference, you might learn it when you're a little older.
 
 
 
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