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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You're a pathological liar, and you can't admit it even after I prove it to you with screenshot evidence.

    Don't reply to my discussions, I don't want to see your divisive, hateful anti-Islamic propaganda.
    Hey dude why you no reply to what I said to your hilarious claim about Islam being the most discriminated faith in the world?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
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    I reiterate, not so. You are not the first person to say that and this is a thread which many people read, not just those who comment on it.

    And Islam is not an ideology, it's a religion. Saying that a religion is evil or promotes violence implies that its followers are evil and promote violence.
    Islam is both a religion and an ideology, these two things are not mutually exclusive.

    No it does not. Islam as an ideology contains many violent ideals, this is demonstrable by reading verses from the Quran. This, however, doesn't mean that most Muslims will commit violent acts.

    You still seem to be confusing an ideology with people when they are two very distinct things. You accuse me of not accepting things when you've had this point explained to you many times on this thread which you are failing to accept and understand.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Hey dude why you no reply to what I said to your hilarious claim about Islam being the most discriminated faith in the world?
    I think it's a waste of your (and everyone else's) time to try to argue with this person.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I generally ignore complete idiots.
    That explains your cognitive dissonance and apparent lack of self-awareness, then...
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
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    I am not denying anything. You chose to make an inference and I have explained that my post was general. I think I would know the purpose of my own post better than you.

    Furthermore, if I had been "caught out" then I would have deleted my post, but I haven't. It's still there for anyone reading this thread to see. The fact you refuse to accept this isn't my problem.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    I am not denying anything. You chose to make an inference and I have explained that my post was general. I think I would know the purpose of my own post better than you.

    Furthermore, if I had been "caught out" then I would have deleted my post, but I haven't. It's still there for anyone reading this thread to see. The fact you refuse to accept this isn't my problem.
    Okay, show me one other person, who within 2 pages of your 'general statement' said a) "criticising Islam is criticising its followers" and b) "Islam is peaceful" in the same post.

    If you do this, I'll accept my idiocy and I'll walk away admitting you to be correct and that i'm stupid.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Okay, show me one other person, who within 2 pages of your 'general statement' said a) "criticising Islam is criticising its followers" and b) "Islam is peaceful" in the same post.

    If you do this, I'll accept my idiocy and I'll walk away admitting you to be correct and that i'm stupid.
    But I never said anyone else made this point. What I'm saying is that many people read this thread, probably with the same thought that you have and so a general post is better to get this point across to a wider audience. Especially as your exchanges with other people on here have been largely inflammatory and fruitless meaning most readers are likely to skip over it.

    Besides, I have reiterated the point to you in the last few pages or so and you are still not addressing it.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    But I never said anyone else made this point. What I'm saying is that many people read this thread, probably with the same thought that you have and so a general post is better to get this point across to a wider audience. Especially as your exchanges with other people on here have been largely inflammatory and fruitless meaning most readers are likely to skip over it.

    Besides, I have reiterated the point to you in the last few pages or so and you are still not addressing it.
    Damn, I guess you can't.

    Care to deny it for a sixth time?
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    (Original post by admonit)
    Now you can open a criminal case against Islam. Should Islam be arrested before the trial? :cool:
    Islam is just a name of religion. Sacred scripts are just texts (for non-believers). You cannot blame them and cannot fight them. You can blame and fight only people.
    completely wrong

    you can criticise Islam and oppose it just like you can criticise and oppose Communism (or Nazism, or Scientology, or, for what matters, Liberalism or Catholicism , or Veganism etc)

    ideologies can and should be criticised and blamed, if they advocate behaviour and actions which, in your opinion, would be negative for certain categories of people and for society as a whole

    you can fight violent, abhorrent "sacred texts" by exposing them, showing how they can inspire people to commit crimes, even if (and especially so) if you believe there is absolutely no "superior truth" embodied in them

    with regard to religions, we could e.g. remember that "most evil persons are capable of committing horrible crimes, but to make good people commit horrible crimes, you need religion"

    I would add also "or ideologies" to the above quote. For these reasons, I think that we should all criticise and oppose Islam (at least, until a serious reform is undertaken and completed)

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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
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    Care to refuse to accept it for the sixth time?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Care to refuse to accept it for the sixth time?
    So if I make an general post saying "people refuse to accept it when they're wrong six times" out of the blue on this thread, would you honestly think I'm referring to a wider audience?

    It's blatant that you were attacking my argument, which I'm fine with, but when you don't even have the courage to quote me directly it is just insulting. Keep your anti-Islamic views out of this place, I wouldn't be surprised if half of the radicalisations in the UK and USA are caused by Islamophobia.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    So if I make an general post saying "people refuse to accept it when they're wrong six times" out of the blue on this thread, would you honestly think I'm referring to a wider audience?
    False analogy, as that is extremely specific whereas the comment I made is a very commonly spouted claim on TSR, not just by you which is why it's general.

    It's blatant that you were attacking my argument, which I'm fine with, but when you don't even have the courage to quote me directly it is just insulting. Keep your anti-Islamic views out of this place, I wouldn't be surprised if half of the radicalisations in the UK and USA are caused by Islamophobia.
    It is fine to be anti-Islamic as once again, Islam is an ideology (not a person) that can be attacked and criticised to our hearts' content.

    Islamaphobia is a disingenuous term intended to stifle debate and shut people up which is exactly what you're trying to do on this thread, but it won't work. Screaming "you're a bigoted islamaphobe" or some version thereof to anyone who mocks Islam has been done to death and no longer has the taboo effect it once did.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Because I generally ignore complete idiots.

    I can't believe I have to spell EVERYTHING out for you dumb people.

    Islam is the most discriminated against TODAY, in the PRESENT.

    but I can trust one of you idiots to bring up the holocaust like that is still happening
    One of the examples I used was a modern day example sweetheart.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You could stop being a pussy and just call me an idiot.
    I have reported you several times because of the insults you have repeatedly directed at other posters - "idiot" in particular

    So, unfortunately, I am not in a position to call you an "idiot".

    Sorry that I will have -albeit grudgingly- to disappoint you

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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    False analogy, as that is extremely specific whereas the comment I made is a very commonly spouted claim on TSR, not just by you which is why it's general.



    It is fine to be anti-Islamic as once again, Islam is an ideology (not a person) that can be attacked and criticised to our hearts' content.

    Islamaphobia is a disingenuous term intended to stifle debate and shut people up which is exactly what you're trying to do on this thread, but it won't work. Screaming "you're a bigoted islamaphobe" or some version thereof to anyone who mocks Islam has been done to death and no longer has the taboo effect it once did.
    You're criticising Islam based on the fact that there are extremist interpretations of it, and that it implies that violence is sometimes justified in the defence of Islam.

    Why not criticise other religions about this stuff? Others are just as extreme sometimes. The only possible explanation is because of the terror attacks which are committed in the name of Islam.

    This directly implies that you would be admitting that you're critical of Islam because of the actions of ISIS. But ISIS does not follow Islam, they follow their own, warped, twisted and evil interpretation of Islam, something entirely different to which 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide subscribe.

    So you can admit that the terrorists, who don't even follow the religion correctly, have scared you into criticising Islam, or you can tell me why you find Islam so scary.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    One of the examples I used was a modern day example sweetheart.
    Okay, let me rephrase my argument. Islam is the most discriminated alongside western culture.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Keep your anti-Islamic views out of this place.
    on the contrary

    anti-Islamic views are perfectly at their place on TSR, and -I would say- on this thread in particular

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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Okay, let me rephrase my argument. Islam is the most discriminated alongside western culture.
    Because they're both incompatible!

    Islam is shockingly backward and many people in the West realise that.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    But I rather like being a cat. I'm so well-looked after.



    Well, we are making some progress on the self-awareness front, aren't we?

    I'll do you this favour anyway, because I'm nice: you're a complete* (forgetting your own words -- tsk tsk ) idiot.
    Turns out someone (no prizes for guessing ) reported this post. Didn't know that calling someone an idiot on request was against the rules. Pathetic, if a little amusing coming from somebody who's been abusively ranting against people for the last several pages. :lol:
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Because they're both incompatible!

    Islam is shockingly backward and many people in the West realise that.
    They're not incompatible, we have been living with peaceful Muslims for decades.

    And even if Islam and democracy have contradictory tenets, it doesn't justify hate speech against them, it doesn't justify segregating Muslims, it doesn't even justify fearing Islam. There are so many religions outside of Islam which theoretically should be 'incompatible' with the west based on their teachings, but everyone focuses on Islam. Hinduism, for example, says that killing is justified by the king if he feels that Hinduism is threatened. But you seem to have ignored that, and Christianity has a lot of killing as well, so many religions have equally extreme ideas. But you focus on Islam.

    I think it's more to do with the terrorists scaring you into thinking that their extreme interpretation of Islam is what true Islam is.
 
 
 
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