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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    How am I overcomplicating anything?

    Currently, I doubt it. People don't like change. Not necessarily a bad thing either.

    Any minority candidate would only win because he is a minority.
    What a backwards and ridiculous comment.
    The west is a place where everyone has equal opportunity. People are given roles and appointments or are brought into power solely by virtue of their capability to do the job to the expected degree of competence. It is not a society where nepotism and racial politics are the order of the day.
    It is not possible for anyone to be elected into power or given an important position by virtue of their race. If that was the case the west wouldn't be at the stage it is at now.

    Please rid yourself of such a primitive notion. It is an insult to the society you live in.
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    Of course he was. America is much worse off under Obama, racial relations are in tatters and the national debt has risen rapidly.

    And those points weren't connected. UK parties and MPs are the same in the way that they largely hold all the same idea and principles, and its incredibly minor things (tax credits, where cuts will fall) that divide them.

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    1) Nope, and he was much better than his rivals. Name another candidate that would have done better.

    2) Completely irrelevant statement, got nothing to do with the issue at hand
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    If all people are the same why would anyone strive to do anything? Are you an idiot? equality is to allow people to have the same opportunities as in white people can become pm so why shouldn't black or Asians.

    Where are the quotes in sewage jobs, or refuse collectors? what?

    Name one thing I've said that's 'racist'.
    you are defending the belief that black people shouldn't be PM because of there skin colour.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    What a backwards and ridiculous comment.
    The west is a place where everyone has equal opportunity. People are given roles and appointments or are brought into power solely by virtue of their capability to do the job to the expected degree of competence. It is not a society where nepotism and racial politics are the order of the day.
    It is not possible for anyone to be elected into power or given an important position by virtue of their race. If that was the case the west wouldn't be at the stage it is at now.

    Please rid yourself of such a primitive notion. It is an insult to the society you live in.
    >brought into power solely by virtue of their capability

    I'm afraid you're wrong there. If that was the case, why isn't every one of our prime ministers a great and capable man? All of the past four have been worse than useless. There could have been much better candidates but as usual, nepotism, money and connections won them their positions.

    Obama was elected because he was black. A newcomer with hardly any experience gets elected over Mitt Romney? Please. It was the 'progressive' thing to do, and look how it's turned out for them.
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    (Original post by Someone32)
    you are defending the belief that black people shouldn't be PM because of there skin colour.
    Quote me. I never said anything of the sort.
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)

    People don't like change. Not necessarily a bad thing either.
    so people not voting for black people isn't a bad thing
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    What a backwards and ridiculous comment.
    The west is a place where everyone has equal opportunity. People are given roles and appointments or are brought into power solely by virtue of their capability to do the job to the expected degree of competence. It is not a society where nepotism and racial politics are the order of the day.
    It is not possible for anyone to be elected into power or given an important position by virtue of their race. If that was the case the west wouldn't be at the stage it is at now.

    Please rid yourself of such a primitive notion. It is an insult to the society you live in.
    You make it sound like the West is some utopia where racism doesnt exist.
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    (Original post by Someone32)
    so people not voting for black people isn't a bad thing
    Did I say that?

    Change isn't always good (something most people forget).
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    >brought into power solely by virtue of their capability

    I'm afraid you're wrong there. If that was the case, why isn't every one of our prime ministers a great and capable man? All of the past four have been worse than useless. There could have been much better candidates but as usual, nepotism, money and connections won them their positions.

    Obama was elected because he was black. A newcomer with hardly any experience gets elected over Mitt Romney? Please. It was the 'progressive' thing to do, and look how it's turned out for them.

    I will never understand why white people complain so much about their leaders. If you want to see leaders that are worse than useless take a look at the developing world. It might not be absolutely perfect but I'd take David Cameron over Robert Mugabe any day.


    That's not possible. Obama was elected twice. America isn't exactly the most PC anti racist country around. The majority are white. What would they gain from electing a mixed race man as president twice? I spoke to a lot of Americans and lurked on pretty much all American forums/blogs during the 2012 election and general consensus was he was the lesser of two evils.
    Maybe he wasn't a perfect president but America is the most powerful country in the world there's too much at stake to just elect someone based on something as frivolous as race. It's the same reason why Hilary doesn't have the amount of support people thought she would. People don't like her policies and the fact that she's a woman won't make them risk tanking their country.
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    WHy is it a good thing that a white community is represented by a black or asain man
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    We don't need a Black or Asian Prime Minister.

    If it is to be argued that 90% of the population should elect a leader who is an 'ethnic minority' and be open to them representing them...Why can't the other fractured 10% put up with a white leader?

    If you break down that 10% you have Blacks, Indians, Chinese, even people from Mexico. No one 'ethnic minority' will represent any of them anyway. It's entirely ridiculous (and offensively patronising) to elect some token Black or Asian Prime Minister to represent all non 'White' people.

    I think it's disgusting we continue to act as though there is no diversity within the 'White' label when we have Caucasian people in this country descendent from Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Germans, Italians, Frenchmen, Irishmen, Norwegians and plenty more. Britain is already mutli-cultural and diverse with its current population and pool of White politicians.
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    You make it sound like the West is some utopia where racism doesnt exist.
    Racism exists but not to that level. We've progressed past the days when non whites weren't allowed to hold public office. Every one has equal opportunity it's just that there isn't equal outcome.
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    I will be surprised if we get one in the next 50 years.
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    Nothing wrong with wanting someone of your own race as Prime Minister.
    You'd pick a head of government based on whether or not they were the same race as you? That's rather primitive.
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    we had 4 million ukip voters last election; so youre potentially looking at a couple million racists right there. nah i would say maybe 200 years until a black prime minister happens and maybe 100 for asian
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    You'd pick a head of government based on whether or not they were the same race as you? That's rather primitive.
    No, but I imagine it's how most of the population think. Unfortunately I think we'll get the same banal, unoriginal grey suits in office. If anyone of ANY race showed originality, charisma and talent I wouldn't have a problem voting for them.
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    We don't need a Black or Asian Prime Minister.

    If it is to be argued that 90% of the population should elect a leader who is an 'ethnic minority' and be open to them representing them...Why can't the other fractured 10% put up with a white leader?

    If you break down that 10% you have Blacks, Indians, Chinese, even people from Mexico. No one 'ethnic minority' will represent any of them anyway. It's entirely ridiculous (and offensively patronising) to elect some token Black or Asian Prime Minister to represent all non 'White' people.

    I think it's disgusting we continue to act as though there is no diversity within the 'White' label when we have Caucasian people in this country descendent from Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Germans, Italians, Frenchmen, Irishmen, Norwegians and plenty more. Britain is already mutli-cultural and diverse with its current population and pool of White politicians.
    Race should be completely discounted from discussion on who should hold public office to be honest. We are indeed a country of many diverse backgrounds and I expect a head of government to work in the interests of Britons regardless of their own race of the different backgrounds of the people they represent.
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    (Original post by Someone32)
    How far do you think Britain is from having a black or Asian prime minister? why do you think we are behind America in terms of ethnic minorities in government?
    Unlikely in the near future - we've yet to have a non-Protestant/Catholic PM, I believe that's still against the law.
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    (Original post by mightybis0n)
    No, but I imagine it's how most of the population think. Unfortunately I think we'll get the same banal, unoriginal grey suits in office. If anyone of ANY race showed originality, charisma and talent I wouldn't have a problem voting for them.
    That's a reasonable position.

    Hopefully it isn't what most people think, though there's always going to be the odd prejudiced person.
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    we need spin doctors
 
 
 
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