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    Jimmies = Rusted
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    if we leave the EU potential IS fighters will find it harder to enter the UK


    therefore no.
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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    ofc terroist short game is to kill innocent people and make everyone fear the might of Islam, but right now the long game may be a weakened Britain outside of the EU, and thus cannot call on support from the EU as easily.

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    Thank god France and Belgium had the support of the EU to prevent these horrible terrorist attacks..
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    keeping british people safe from islamists; we need to stop the chain of terror coming from Iraq and syria to the uk. If muslims dont like it they can go back there
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    If they were that clever (which I highly doubt) then surely they would want Britain to stay in the EU because it would probably be easier for them to travel here?
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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    ofc terroist short game is to kill innocent people and make everyone fear the might of Islam, but right now the long game may be a weakened Britain outside of the EU, and thus cannot call on support from the EU as easily.

    Discuss.
    a few cowardly islamists killing unarmed people doesnt signify any such 'might' it simply stregthens the understanding that the problems of islamic ideology is not being addressed at i the roots. simply condemning scumbags in news conferences doesn nothing to tackle the problem.

    but it certainly will strenghten support for donald trump, seeing as islam is sen as a negative and muslims untrustworthy - things like this will only exacerabte that view
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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    ofc terroist short game is to kill innocent people and make everyone fear the might of Islam, but right now the long game may be a weakened Britain outside of the EU, and thus cannot call on support from the EU as easily.

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    There would be better ways of increasing the chances of a Leave vote. They could have sent people over here to work under EU freedom of movement laws and then attacked London.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    while Brexit may be a hugely important political issue in the UK, it is widely irrelevant for Brussels jihadis. Also, the Caliphate has many other, much more urgent concerns than obscure referendums still months away

    so, in a nutshell : nonsense
    But what if Boris Johnson ordered the attack.... and then we descend into an ideological war between Bojo and Trump... the war of the moptops
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    and now, prepare yourself : Cameron, the Zionists, the King of Belgium and Roger Federer organised the attack, because they want to re-organise the Duchy of Brabant as the main geo-strategical power, in opposition to Papua-New Guinea

    but all those brainwashed sheep around will deny it, of course...
    Front runner for post of the year! :lol:
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Given that we are an island, our border policies will not change whether we leave the EU or not.
    Inside EU = freedom of movement
    Outside EU = no freedom of movement


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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    ofc terroist short game is to kill innocent people and make everyone fear the might of Islam, but right now the long game may be a weakened Britain outside of the EU, and thus cannot call on support from the EU as easily.

    Discuss.
    If that was their aim they would have just attacked the UK. I think if it happened in the UK, it would almost guarantee a Brexit.
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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    ofc terroist short game is to kill innocent people and make everyone fear the might of Islam, but right now the long game may be a weakened Britain outside of the EU, and thus cannot call on support from the EU as easily.

    Discuss.

    What you are overlooking is that these people almost certainly see the British electorate,along with most other Western electorates no doubt,as utterly selfish,greedy and stupid.

    Thus they would expect the British to vote to stay in the EU no matter what because to come out would mean Britain might not be as wealthy in the short term.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Categorically untrue.

    Given that we are an island, our border policies will not change whether we leave the EU or not. If an attack hits mainland Europe, we will increase our security correspondingly.
    Unfortunately your statement is also categorically untrue. We are bound to accept EU citizens into the UK under EU freedom of movement laws unless they have serious criminal convictions or pose an active security threat. If we were not in the EU there would be nothing to stop us from barring certain people whom we suspected of being 'dodgy' despite not having any concrete evidence against them. Right now we are not allowed to do that.
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    (Original post by Gucci Mane.)
    cannot call on support from the EU as easily
    1) In what sense does the UK need the support of the EU, as opposed to the other way round, given the geographical nature of the migrant crisis?

    2) In what sense does the EU currently offer us support, as opposed to telling us we ought to take our 'share' of tens of thousands of unfiltered people (mostly men of fighting age, from brutal regions) and watching as we donate more, per capita, than any other country on earth (never mind in Europe), to the Syrian crisis/thus helping to stem the flow of refugees into Europe

    3) In what sense is the EU's capacity to tackle/respond to terrorism superior to our own, as opposed to us having relatively robust anti-terrorist strategies/well rehearsed counter-terrorist operations, the best armed forces in the world, and the most highly capable counter-terrorist special forces outfit in the world (SAS CRW)
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    If we were not in the EU, who or how many people would we have been able to ban from arriving?
    If we were not in the EU, in theory we could ban anyone we wanted.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    That's great but if you can't show us how the EU has overridden our objections, then your argument is moot.
    It's not a case of overriding our objections to individual cases, it's a case of immigration policy and rights as a whole.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    really ?

    I thought it was because of Brexit ....
    The reason why they are able to do something would not necessarily be the same as their reason for doing it.

    You are but a padawan in the art of smartarssery.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    And what don't you like about immigration policy and rights?
    I never said I didn't like them. I just said it's not true to say that leaving the EU wouldn't enable the UK to tighten its border controls if it wanted to.
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    Regardless of the intention of the terrorists the odds on leaving the EU have shortened to a general 7-4.
 
 
 
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