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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    One would certainly hope so. But remember the Speaker that got VoNCed 3 minutes into his term?
    I wasn't there for that but I know of it. Such people are idiots for doing that (but then again, I know why they did it).

    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    But do you not think that political ideologies might have some influence?
    Only to a little extent.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I wasn't there for that but I know of it. Such people are idiots for doing that (but then again, I know why they did it).
    Idiocy?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    One would certainly hope so. But remember the Speaker that got VoNCed 3 minutes into his term?
    No longer possible, however.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    No longer possible, however.
    True.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Idiocy?
    That and having a personal issue.
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    Although Ray and Birch are the only speakers in my time here, both have been more than capable of maintaining neutrality and I don't see why it would be different with anyone else. If they weren't neutral then they wouldn't stay in the job very long. I mean I didn't even know Birch was a center-right liberal until after he had resigned from the post.

    (Original post by RayApparently)
    My predecessors would have just left the House without updates for a short time and you'd have sucked it up.

    If I were to vote, I'd vote for A. The House can survive what will be a matter of days without being updated - I presume Parliament will be closed for submissions very soon due to the impending General Election anyway.

    This is about updates and the opening and closing of debates on items. If people actually read A135 they'd understand.
    I would have voted A but it was already too far behind to be worth voting for. I don't really feel another deputy speaker is needed for those rare occasions neither are available, I'm happy for there to be no updates for a couple days, but I'm also happy for Mr Finance to do it.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Although Ray and Birch are the only speakers in my time here, both have been more than capable of maintaining neutrality and I don't see why it would be different with anyone else. If they weren't neutral then they wouldn't stay in the job very long. I mean I didn't even know Birch was a center-right liberal until after he had resigned from the post.



    I would have voted A but it was already too far behind to be worth voting for. I don't really feel another deputy speaker is needed for those rare occasions neither are available, I'm happy for there to be no updates for a couple days, but I'm also happy for Mr Finance to do it.
    I was not around for the VoNC shortly after the Speaker was elected but from what I have heard he was banned for having lots of accounts in all of the different parties. He then returned claiming to have reformed but members did not believe him so tabled a VoNC in hope of stopping him having access to all party forums when elected Speaker. If that is accurate, I have sympathy for the members who called the VoNC because I would not trust someone who has been proven to have used deception to gain an advantage, however, I have only heard the accounts from one side.
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    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

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    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

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    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
    As stated earlier, it is a position that would so rarely be used it would barely be worth using and just creates more pointless bureaucracy, I would have thought you would want to minimise pointless bureaucracy, or are you going to be announcing your defection tonight? I have no issue with there being no update for a few days, nor do I have a problem with, on rare occasions, somebody who already has the necessary powers doing the updates.
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

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    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
    I see no point in C as they would hardly ever be used and as I said in the past you are making an 'heir apparent' argument. If you want to do that lets abolish the speaker role and have a council of speakers who take it in turns to be speaker but have to have all decisions ratified by all other speakers? That way there is always someone with expErience around.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As stated earlier, it is a position that would so rarely be used it would barely be worth using and just creates more pointless bureaucracy, I would have thought you would want to minimise pointless bureaucracy, or are you going to be announcing your defection tonight? I have no issue with there being no update for a few days, nor do I have a problem with, on rare occasions, somebody who already has the necessary powers doing the updates.
    I most certainly am against unnecessary bureaucracy, but I do not see this as necessary!

    (Original post by Aph)
    I see no point in C as they would hardly ever be used and as I said in the past you are making an 'heir apparent' argument. If you want to do that lets abolish the speaker role and have a council of speakers who take it in turns to be speaker but have to have all decisions ratified by all other speakers? That way there is always someone with expErience around.
    Are you sure Aph the Socialists aren't your natural home?
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    I most certainly am against unnecessary bureaucracy, but I do not see this as necessary!



    Are you sure Aph the Socialists aren't your natural home?
    Wait, so you don't think pointless bureaucracy is necessary but you are voting for it regardless?
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    I most certainly am against unnecessary bureaucracy, but I do not see this as necessary!



    Are you sure Aph the Socialists aren't your natural home?
    I was just saying that that is a far better solution to your point and actually arguably would work bett because if the speaker wasn't just one person but an entity of people it would be impossible for someone to claim that the speaker isn't politically neutral.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Wait, so you don't think pointless bureaucracy is necessary but you are voting for it regardless?
    As I've said, in my opinion, its not pointless!

    (Original post by Aph)
    I was just saying that that is a far better solution to your point and actually arguably would work bett because if the speaker wasn't just one person but an entity of people it would be impossible for someone to claim that the speaker isn't politically neutral.

    You always need one strong leader; having a 'council' in charge makes it too hard to get things done!
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    As I've said, in my opinion, its not pointless!




    You always need one strong leader; having a 'council' in charge makes it too hard to get things done!
    Because it is essential that there must be an update every day, and in the incredibly rare instance that neither the Speaker nor deputy is available nobody could possibly do it without being elected leading to a lot of bureaucracy for a position that isn't necessary except maybe once every few years, being generous?
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

    Andy98 barnetlad cBay Aph cranbrook_aspie Imperion Jammy Duel Krollo Little Toy Gun LovepreetDhillon meenu89 mobbsy91 Rakas21 Saracen's Fez tengentoppa Tommy1boy


    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
    It won't do any harm, it's just that it's only one week and probably isn't going to happen again so I just feel an election process is too much hassle to go through. Besides, you mods are the people who would have the authority to step in in the event of drama imo, and there;s more than one of you.
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    As I've said, in my opinion, its not pointless!




    You always need one strong leader; having a 'council' in charge makes it too hard to get things done!
    I disagree. I mean the whole point of uk democracy is that it isn't good to have one strong leader.

    We have the House of Commons who can be stopped by the House of Lords, the queen and the Judiciary. I'm fundamentally opposed to power concentration as power corrupts.

    A council of speakers would also be far more efficient at getting things done IMO as there would be more of them they could take on more work and make the house more realistic.

    Anyway my point was to point out that your proposed banifits don't really exist, not to change the way we run the house.
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

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    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
    Why is it a shame and why the heck do you think I'm desperate? :laugh:

    I'd like to remind you that unlike yourself, The Financier already does have the authority to step in because he's an MHoC mod (or support team whatnot).

    Since when do we have to receive special training to become the Speaker? Generations before you even discovered the MHoC had done well without any of this so why start now? You are trying to change something that isn't broken and I'm wondering why that is… Perhaps you've already written your manifesto because you can't pull rank on us despite being ‘purple’?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Why is it a shame and why the heck do you think I'm desperate? :laugh:

    I'd like to remind you that unlike yourself, The Financier already does have the authority to step in because he's an MHoC mod (or support team whatnot).

    Since when do we have to receive special training to become the Speaker? Generations before you even discovered the MHoC had done well without any of this so why start now? You are trying to change something that isn't broken and I'm wondering why that is… Perhaps you've already written your manifesto because you can't pull rank on us despite being ‘purple’?
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is a shame that things are turning out this way; and because LP did it the other way; I might as well do it:

    Andy98 barnetlad cBay Aph cranbrook_aspie Imperion Jammy Duel Krollo Little Toy Gun LovepreetDhillon meenu89 mobbsy91 Rakas21 Saracen's Fez tengentoppa Tommy1boy


    I pose the question to you; what harm will option C do, electing a new assistant deputy speaker to the house.
    Training up the next generation of speakers.
    Ensuring that in the future, if Ray and Toronto, or their predecessors are away, we have someone experienced in charge.
    Ensuring if things get out of control in this house with a wee bit of 'drama' there is someone there with authority to step in.

    LP pleaded with people to change to option C, as he is desperate.. I'm not overly concerned about option B winning, as the Financier will do a good job- however I feel for the reasons above, that option C would be better, and I urge you to join me in this thinking
    I hate the phrase training up the next generation of speaker. This isn't a 'conveyor belt' of speakers as someone said previously. The next speaker shouldn't automatically be Toronto because he's deputy now and has been teained...
 
 
 
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