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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...P=share_btn_tw

    or else they might save more lives

    stop them before its too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    (Original post by G8D)
    Why is it not ok to negatively generalise migrants on the actions of a 'few' but it's fine to do it positively?
    who said saving the life of a racist was a positive?
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    (Original post by G8D)
    Your OP was about the general act of 'saving lives'. From the typical perspective, a positive.
    assumption much? not a fan of neo nazis personally
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    (Original post by G8D)
    Essentially you've made an assumption you can't back up.
    not the first time that has been done on this thread
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    In the absence of any counter narrative, that may well have to do.
    we've definitely won and he definitely hasn't gone to bed.


    any more right wingers fite me
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    (Original post by Use Err Name)
    who said saving the life of a racist was a positive?
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    (Original post by G8D)
    As a minimum? Vet them, heavily. Not just background/ID checks. Viability for integration, political views, cultural affiliation.
    definitely. make sure they aren't decent people so we don't have repeats of the above
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    Anyone who can't see that the migrant crisis is imposing a heavy burden on Europe needs their head examined, noble as many migrants may be
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    (Original post by G8D)
    As a minimum? Vet them, heavily. Not just background/ID checks. Viability for integration, political views, cultural affiliation.
    May I ask how you plan to "vet for political views" in a democratic country where it is a right to have freedom of political views...?

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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Anyone who can't see that the migrant crisis is imposing a heavy burden on Europe needs their head examined, noble as many migrants may be
    So anyone who disagrees has mental issues. -_-

    Its this sort of rhetoric which is dividing society.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    So anyone who disagrees has mental issues. -_- Its this sort of rhetoric which is dividing society
    On the contrary, this rhetoric marks the growing consensus concerning the pitfalls of inter-civilisational migration, and the perils of Islam(ism)
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    On the contrary, this rhetoric marks the growing consensus concerning the pitfalls of inter-civilisational migration, and the perils of Islam(ism)
    "Perils of Islam", that's weird, last time I checked there were 1.5 billion Muslims who had never waged jihad or tried to kill anyone who didn't follow Islam.

    Change your statement to the "perils of ISIS" because ISIL's Islam is different from the Islam that 1.5 billion people ascribe to. Too many people can't differentiate between them.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    "Perils of Islam", that's weird, last time I checked there were 1.5 billion Muslims who had never waged jihad or tried to kill anyone who didn't follow Islam
    You appear to be confusing the problems with a religious doctrine, as per it's intrinsic qualities + various malevolent ethno-cultural manifestations, with an entire global population of believers. Only an idiot would argue that all Muslims are X or Y, they're a mixed bunch just like the rest of us

    Change your statement to the "perils of ISIS" because ISIL's Islam is different from the Islam that 1.5 billion people ascribe to
    That sounds rather like a command to me. I'm afraid I'm not about to be ordered about by some poorly informed apologist, thank you very much

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    Too many people can't differentiate between them
    Too many people swallow media sound-bites on 'The Religion of Peace' and fail to comprehend that it's not a huge leap from ISIS < Wahhabism < Salafism < Sunni Islam < Islam. Plainly there are differences between most Muslims and members of ISIS but there are also striking commonalities

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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    You appear to be confusing the problems with a religious doctrine, as per it's intrinsic qualities + various malevolent ethno-cultural manifestations, with an entire global population of believers. Only an idiot would argue that all Muslims are X or Y, they're a mixed bunch just like the rest of us

    That sounds rather like a command to me. I'm afraid I'm not about to be ordered about by some poorly informed apologist, thank you very much
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    Too many people swallow media sound-bites on 'The Religion of Peace' and fail to comprehend that it's not a huge leap from ISIS < Wahhabism < Salafism < Sunni Islam < Islam. Plainly there are differences between most Muslims and members of ISIS but there are also striking commonalities
    Nope, you're telling me different things to make me confused.

    It's simple, ISIS does not represent Islam, and the majority of Muslims are good people. So hating them is playing directly into the terrorists hands. Good job.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Nope, you're telling me different things to make me confused.It's simple, ISIS does not represent Islam, and the majority of Muslims are good people. So hating them is playing directly into the terrorists hands. Good job.
    Have you looked at Muslim opinion polls at all? Or at the situation in Europe, especially in Sweden and Germany? Have you even read the Qu'ran or a single Hadith? I highly doubt you've done any of that. Before making assertions that the religion has nothing to do with the behavior of these barbarians go and read the Qu'ran.

    By the way OP, The Guardian isn't a reliable source at all. It's an extreme leftist paper which does nothing but label all right wingers as neo-nazis even though the majority of us are nothing of the sort. It does it's utmost to brush all Muslim violence under the rug and even attempts to shift all the blame for the tensions in Europe onto our heads.

    Here, http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...life/81702.htm. I don't doubt that Christiantoday is a biased source, but unlike the Guardian what it's saying can be confirmed by doing additional research or by simply reading the Qu'ran.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Have you looked at Muslim opinion polls at all? Or at the situation in Europe, especially in Sweden and Germany? Have you even read the Qu'ran or a single Hadith? I highly doubt you've done any of that. Before making assertions that the religion has nothing to do with the behavior of these barbarians go and read the Qu'ran.

    By the way OP, The Guardian isn't a reliable source at all. It's an extreme leftist paper which does nothing but label all right wingers as neo-nazis even though the majority of us are nothing of the sort. It does it's utmost to brush all Muslim violence under the rug and even attempts to shift all the blame for the tensions in Europe onto our heads.

    Here, http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...life/81702.htm. I don't doubt that Christiantoday is a biased source, but unlike the Guardian what it's saying can be confirmed by doing additional research or by simply reading the Qu'ran.
    You're a victim of right-wing newspaper and media scaremongering:
    - the 'rape' issues going on are vastly inflated by the conservative media. More natives rape each other daily, and the press is exaggerating it because a piece of paper which blames all of your problems on "dirty dirty Muslims and refugees" sells well. I'd be very very very concerned about citing things like the Daily Mail or Daily Express as reliable, given that they are out there to make a profit, and scaremongering sells.
    - I've looked at Muslim opinion polls, such as the Pew research one, which indicates that Muslims worldwide condemn ISIS, alongside the thousands upon thousands of independent Muslim organisations condemning ISIS through social media, other forms of press, etc. Muslims hate ISIS, and you can show me an opinion poll which says that some Muslims have favourable views of ISIS, but to be frank, I wouldn't blame them - you idiots give Muslims such a hard time for not doing enough about ISIS. Tell me, did the American republican population condemn Dylann Roof when he murdered 9 black people? They didn't, in fact, the NRA made excuses and lies to cover the story up.
    - And I've read the relevant parts of the Quran, its clear what it says. Maybe contradictory at times, but when a books says outright that killing non-combatants is condemned, you can't argue with that.
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    Shoot them in front of their families. Then more won't try and come here.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Nope, you're telling me different things to make me confused.

    It's simple, ISIS does not represent Islam, and the majority of Muslims are good people. So hating them is playing directly into the terrorists hands. Good job.
    Right you are, my learning friend. They are good people who run from the countries, where other good people live. And we over here sit and think about the reasons of the immigration. Don't you find it illogical?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You're a victim of right-wing newspaper and media scaremongering:
    - the 'rape' issues going on are vastly inflated by the conservative media. More natives rape each other daily, and the press is exaggerating it because a piece of paper which blames all of your problems on "dirty dirty Muslims and refugees" sells well. I'd be very very very concerned about citing things like the Daily Mail or Daily Express as reliable, given that they are out there to make a profit, and scaremongering sells.
    - I've looked at Muslim opinion polls, such as the Pew research one, which indicates that Muslims worldwide condemn ISIS, alongside the thousands upon thousands of independent Muslim organisations condemning ISIS through social media, other forms of press, etc. Muslims hate ISIS, and you can show me an opinion poll which says that some Muslims have favourable views of ISIS, but to be frank, I wouldn't blame them - you idiots give Muslims such a hard time for not doing enough about ISIS. Tell me, did the American republican population condemn Dylann Roof when he murdered 9 black people? They didn't, in fact, the NRA made excuses and lies to cover the story up.
    - And I've read the relevant parts of the Quran, its clear what it says. Maybe contradictory at times, but when a books says outright that killing non-combatants is condemned, you can't argue with that.
    You're a victim of leftist brainwashing.
    - Don't you dare make light of rape.
    - The rape incidents done by natives stayed at the same level, but the number of incidents soared. I wonder how that happened?
    - I didn't say that either of those were reliable.
    - So ISIS is our fault? Way to go shifting the blame. If you took the time to study the events from before 9/11 to today you'll notice that it was all planned years in advance.
    - No self-respecting human being would ever condone murder.
    - People like the NRA are idiots. Simple as.
    - The one thing the Qu'ran doesn't contradict itself on is the hatred and encouragement of the massacre of all non-Muslims, these verses are only contradicted a few times by one or two of the Hadith. But since the Hadith are not "the word of Allah" they are overruled by the content of the Qu'ran.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    You're a victim of leftist brainwashing.
    - Don't you dare make light of rape.
    - The rape incidents done by natives stayed at the same level, but the number of incidents soared. I wonder how that happened?
    - I didn't say that either of those were reliable.
    - So ISIS is our fault? Way to go shifting the blame. If you took the time to study the events from before 9/11 to today you'll notice that it was all planned years in advance.
    - No self-respecting human being would ever condone murder.
    - People like the NRA are idiots. Simple as.
    - The one thing the Qu'ran doesn't contradict itself on is the hatred and encouragement of the massacre of all non-Muslims, these verses are only contradicted a few times by one or two of the Hadith. But since the Hadith are not "the word of Allah" they are overruled by the content of the Qu'ran.
    - I didn't make light of rape. Embolden a portion of the text where I "make light of rape", please.

    - I'm yet to see any reliable news source that shows 'rape levels soaring', they might have gone up, but they are hardly soaring. And even if they are, and lets be nice to you and assume that you're right and that they're caused by immigrants, there are still thousands upon thousands of immigrants who did not rape them. And you are one-dimensionally criticising all of the refugees as if they're all responsible. Well guess what, the immigrants, like every single collective in history, consists of good and bad people. And you're letting the actions of the bad overshadow the potential of the good.

    - ISIS is not our fault, but I think that one cause of radicalisation is hate speech directed towards Muslims and Islam.



    You have a nasty habit of taking one thing I said and steaming off in a tangent with it, when in fact my actual point isn't what you think it is.
 
 
 
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