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    (Original post by generallee)
    The French are looking at ways of removing citizenship from Muslim terrorists. We should too.

    Muslims have to make a choice, are they going to integrate in the west or do they prefer to live in a Muslim country? At present some of them belong nowhere. Neither in th homelands of their parents, or here. We all know a frighteningly large number support Sharia for the UK. Many of the Muslims on this website indeed.
    The majority of Muslims integrate though
    At college school sixth form they are pretty much like us. Don't understand why people keep saying they don't integrate.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    Fair enough. Personally I don't particularly care about those people either. Actually I lie, I don't at all. My only concern is Britain, the British people and British interests. That is because my friends and family are all British or British residents. I have no connections to anyone outside Britian and have no reason to care about the lives of these people unless it directly affects this country. So I don't.

    If these terrorists blow up their own Muslim "brothers", then 1) that's not my problem 2) Muslims can deal with that terrorist in any way they see fit 3) it might give them an incentive to do something about their own religious extremism and try and curb the ideology. Or they might choose not to. As long as it doesn't affect us, Muslims can carry on their Shia/ Sunni war for as long as they want.
    I don't see how someone can be against what ISIS are doing in the middle east and then willingly send more of the Islamist terrorists over there to help carry out the same kind of crimes against humanity ISIS are commiting in the middle-east which is much worse than anything they have done here. It;s not consistent or coherent.

    It;s fine if you adopt a more isolationist siege mentality. As long as it doesn't effect us we don't care. But at that point one may as well join Stop the War. It has the same outcome. But from an internationalist left wing viewpoint I very much care about the plight of people like the kurds and their social experiments in democracy and socialism. I want to help them, not leave them to fend for themselves against ISIS and regimes like the Assad dicatorship. Which is also why I do not hold the same view about Assad and Gadaffi. They are very much a threat to people as well. Then throw our NATO ally Turkey into the mix and these Kurds are being attacked from all angles, angles our government are complicit in.

    It;s very isolated over here. I'm not on the Stop the War left side, or right wing isolationist side but I am also not really on the side of the Neocon right that want to intervene either.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    The majority of Muslims integrate though
    At college school sixth form they are pretty much like us. Don't understand why people keep saying they don't integrate.
    How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

    People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    The majority of Muslims integrate though
    At college school sixth form they are pretty much like us. Don't understand why people keep saying they don't integrate.
    Go to an ISOC meeting when you go to University, then you will understand.
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

    People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.
    So because you have never seen a Muslim girl marrying a non-Muslim, you make the assumption that Muslins don't integrate?

    My neighbour is a male who went to study Arabic and married a Muslim woman, and he was atheist before.
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    Sometimes i read the utterely hideous naive ignorant left wing views in response to each and every atrocity and I cant help but feel that we deserve it.

    Someone on another forum earnestly argued today that " the attacks have nothing to do with Islam... its radicilisation thats the problem."

    I am simply lost for words that a person (A university educated adult at that) could think this is rational argument. How does this person account for 99.99% of attacks come from people of one faith and an extreme minority faith to boot?? How?? Why do we not see a representative sample equal to a countries demographics if Islam has nothing to do with it but radicilisation is the problem?

    Its the same for idiots who argue poverty is the reason as though only muslims live in poverty in the west.

    IT IS FLABBERGASTING and can only make me think of what R Dawkins once tweeted

    Why are people so desperate, desperate, DESPERATE to find something, anything, ANYTHING to blame in order to avoid blaming religion?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I don't see how someone can be against what ISIS are doing in the middle east and then willingly send more of the Islamist terrorists over there to help carry out the same kind of crimes against humanity ISIS are commiting in the middle-east which is much worse than anything they have done here. It;s not consistent or coherent.

    It;s fine if you adopt a more isolationist siege mentality. As long as it doesn't effect us we don't care. But at that point one may as well join Stop the War. It has the same outcome. But from an internationalist left wing viewpoint I very much care about the plight of people like the kurds and their social experiments in democracy and socialism. I want to help them, not leave them to fend for themselves against ISIS and regimes like the Assad dicatorship. Which is also why I do not hold the same view about Assad and Gadaffi. They are very much a threat to people as well. Then throw out NATO ally Turkey into the mix and these Kurds are being attacked from all angles, angles our government are complicit in.
    The bit in bold: yes I'm against what they are doing. But that is not the same as caring. I care for the people in Britain (or the west in general), not the middle east. Just because I dislike what they are doing, that does not mean I am against deporting terrorists to these places. In principle I am against them beheading and raping, obviously. But my priority is Britain. I have no problem with "exporting" the problem to the middle east if it means that it will no longer be a problem that troubles us.

    I used to be a slight internationalist, believing that we should do something out of mere principle, but as I learnt more and more about the history of the middle east through university, the less and less I cared about these people. I simply don't care.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Excelent commentary and spot on.

    already begun with "what about turkey???" And talks about how the real victims are the muslims , and how even linking isis with islam is "what the terrorist want"
    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03...esponse-begin/

    Douglas Murray, spot on again.
    Muslims and Islam are the real victims though. If you are Muslim you are likely to be attacked simply over race, culture or religion, you people will never understand what that is like. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

    People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.
    Wrong. Muslims don't integrate because in today's society they are highly likely to be attacked, physically or verbally by non Muslims. The fault lies with people like you who have let figures like trump and farage rise
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

    People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.
    Ehh what's marriage got to do with this? If you want to marry somebody from your own background that should be your own right shouldn't it?
    How many middle/upper class white people marry people from ethnic minorities?

    Who you marry is a personal thing. I don't see how this indicates you do not integrate?
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Crazy world we live in
    All threads are about Islam.
    It's because the west let figures like trump rise without knocking them down. It is sad.


    (Original post by vickidc18)
    Sorry to burst your bubble but South America has very few muslims compared to population and tend to be devout catholics there aren't enough muslims in South America to demand changes and be violent because they would be kicked out . More muslims = more bombings japan and south Korea have virtually no muslims there's no bombing or jihad there.
    Listen girl, did you ever consider its you people showing little to no respect to the Muslim population? You force your culture on us, force us to change our ways and then insult us, grow up. Anyway the terrorists are not Muslim so I don't see why you are trying to make an association
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    So because you have never seen a Muslim girl marrying a non-Muslim, you make the assumption that Muslins don't integrate?

    My neighbour is a male who went to study Arabic and married a Muslim woman, and he was atheist before.
    Is he a muslim now?

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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    Muslims and Islam are the real victims though. If you are Muslim you are likely to be attacked simply over race, culture or religion, you people will never understand what that is like. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few
    The Western response:

    30 people have been killed in a terrorist attack in Brussels my Islamic extremists.


    Pray for muslims

    Edit: never mind. I bit the trolls bait

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    (Original post by Slipandsquirm)
    Is he a muslim now?

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    not anymore
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    not anymore
    So he was an atheist, then converted to marry and then deconverted?

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    (Original post by Slipandsquirm)
    The Western response:

    30 people have been killed in a terrorist attack in Brussels my Islamic extremists.


    Pray for muslims

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    Actually, the western response has been:
    - several raids on locations linked to the suspects
    - worldwide condemnation of ISIL's actions, I mean even North Korea offered their condolences, that says something about the world's attitudes towards ISIS, particularly given that ISIS are anti-america and anti-EU
    - emergency meetings chaired by David Cameron and others to discuss the issue
    - Belgium's terror threat level raised
    - worldwide social media showing integrity in Europe
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    Why ask me a question, saying TL;DR when the answer is in the article? - Read the article then? Douglas Murray has also answered this in other works and speeches.
    Having a spare few minutes I've actually read this. No where does he mention what we should do, he mearly points out what we do now. So once again; what do you suppose we do, Enistein?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Actually, the western response has been:
    - several raids on locations linked to the suspects
    - worldwide condemnation of ISIL's actions, I mean even North Korea offered their condolences, that says something about the world's attitudes towards ISIS, particularly given that ISIS are anti-america and anti-EU
    - emergency meetings chaired by David Cameron and others to discuss the issue
    - Belgium's terror threat level raised
    - worldwide social media showing integrity in Europe
    So you managed to pull 'condolences and condemnation' out as much as you could.

    Cobra meeting is expected. Follow up raids based on intelligence is a minimum.

    Anyway, you didn't get the point if the post. Shock horror.

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    (Original post by Slipandsquirm)
    So you managed to pull 'condolences and condemnation' out as much as you could.

    Cobra meeting is expected. Follow up raids based on intelligence is a minimum.

    Anyway, you didn't get the point if the post. Shock horror.

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    I just proved to you that there was a bigger response than 'only praying for Muslims'. And you still find an excuse to cry about it.

    Not to mention the things I didn't bring up, like the nationwide manhunt for the alive perpetrator, the inevitable improvement of Belgian transport security, etc.
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    (Original post by The Wavefunction)
    Having a spare few minutes I've actually read this. No where does he mention what we should do, he mearly points out what we do now. So once again; what do you suppose we do, Enistein?
    Read his other speeches and also read this thread.
 
 
 
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