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    (Original post by ranz)
    shows how ignorant u are, How about the christians in africa that sew a girls vagina or cut her clitoris.. is that representative of all christians in the world? KKK is in the name of christianity, all christian countries must be so bad. thats only to name a few examples of things done by christians.
    Christianity must then be 'attacked at every opportunity and loudly without mercy' blabla.. sad..


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    So we have

    1) personal attack

    2) whataboutery

    3) confusion about Islam the ideology and muslims

    Not a good start really
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Because some on the left act as if muslims = brown people.
    I don't think many do. I think you are confusing it with the following. They think any criticism of Muslims or any cultural practises from that demographic of people is racist or in some hitting down at an oppresed group of people. Which can result in left wing people somewhat bizarrely defending oppressive conservative religion and labelling anyone who does criticise, even from a left wing position, as a racist or islamophobe. The utmost extreme of this is when people end up essentially supporting what can be considered very right wing groups like ISIS or Hamas.

    But then some on the right also act as if left wing defence of Muslims from persecution is nothing but defence of Islamism or groups like Hamas or ISIS. They are two sides of the same coin.

    The problem is the world is complicated. Left wing thought is often about striving for egalitarianism and breaking down social hierarchies. But what do you do when their exist multiple hierarchies that overlap and conflict? So Muslims face abuse on the streets. But Islamic culture, like all religion, is very capable of being hierarchial. It is very patriarchal for example. So you get feminists defending Muslim women being harassed for wearing viels, even though veils are the result of patriarchal religion. When I see a Muslim woman wearing a face scarf I see an oppressed woman. But then I don't think the state should be aloud to dictate what people wear and there is always the chance I am wrong. So what do I do? One the one hand I want to foster internal dissidence of women in the Muslim communities, like what has happened and is still happening in Christianity but then I also want to defend their right to wear what they like. It's complicated.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Is it because you're brown? If so it's partly due to certain people on the left turning Islam into a racial thing. Because they often equate Islamophobia with racism, some people have got mixed up and think that Muslims = brown people.
    That's not how racialisation works :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Of course it's racist, you absolute cretin. Something tells me you're not familiar with critical race theory. Look up "racialisation". Non-Muslim communities that fit the racialised profile for "Muslims" (brown skin, beards, turbans, etc) are frequently targeted in hate crimes motivated by anti-Muslim sentiments.
    Source?
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    (Original post by Aristotle's' Disciple)
    Shouldn't have to, there isn't anything wrong with being a Muslim, I shouldn't even have to spell that out. I'm not religious but I'd have whispered God is Great, or Allahu Akhtar, just to ruin her day even more.
    Allahu akbar*
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    Although it's racist to just call you a Muslim, I can see why people are saying stuff like that, due to the current crisis and recent attacks.
    does that make it alright to say things like that though?
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    all attacks on Islam must come with a prison sentence swiftly
    I think the defunct British Union of Fascists may be able to introduce the appropriate legislation for you in Parliament as soon as they get an MP. Hang in there.
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    I tried telling her i wasnt a muslim but she didnt seem interested

    i do worry for society
    she'll die soon anyway
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    I would of said.

    "I'm Hindu you old dipsh*t".
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    (Original post by NadeemKha_Arab)
    I've always tried to stick up for Islam but no matter what no-one seems to win, it's just the society we live it. It's such as f**ked up mess where everyones hating on each other
    Here lies the problem. There's actually nothing wrong with western society, the issue lies in Islam, let me explain.

    Have you read the Qu'ran? If not then I suggest you do, it'll shed some light onto why so many of my people have problems with Muslims living in civilised countries. Until then you'd probably be better of refraining from defending it until you've got a better understanding of what Islamic doctrines actually say.

    I'm not attacking Islam for the hell of it though, I've read the Qu'ran and many of the Hadith. Honestly, no words could ever describe the horrors that I read. What's most disturbing perhaps is the actions taken by Mohammad (pbuh) himself. If you read the Qu'ran's verses in the order they were written in alongside historical accounts from that time you'll notice that Mohammad (pbuh) became increasingly deranged and barbaric as he got older. To put it bluntly, the man committed multiple genocides as well as so much more. The whole Qu'ran is simply a call to war against all non-Muslims.

    To be even blunter with you, having read the satanic bible as well I'd actually say that the Qu'ran is worse. I don't disagree that many other religious texts are also disgusting abominations though. The difference lies in the fact that Christianity, for example, had major reforms. This has been the case with most of the world's religions. Islam hasn't. It's doctrines include the same inhumane and completely inexcusable content that they did when Mohammad (pbuh) first created them.

    It's true that like all religious texts, the Qu'ran has some very nice messages as well. Mohammad's (pbuh) early descendents were also much nicer people than he was, a few of them even taught that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all equally good people since they worship the same god (funny how everyone else was evil though). However, none of these good messages change the fact that the Qu'ran is ravaging the possibility for us to achieve world peace.

    I recommend that the sane Muslims such as yourself get together and create your own brand new religion, one which incorporates western values into it and cuts out the hatred that the Qu'ran teaches. It should be a new pacifistic religion, one which won't ruin the lives of others. Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to stop worshiping Allah or to scrap the Qu'ran. I just think that the verses which incite hatred and/or intolerance and the Sharia laws should be removed and/or changed to incorporate unconditional love, respect and freedom for all and hatred for none, that's all. As for the new religion, I suggest that because unfortunately a lot of Islam's followers are complete maniacs. Islamic doctrines are also completely incompatible with civilised values, making integrating the two an impossibility.

    With a new religion it'd be a fresh start for Islam. You could leave the savages behind and replace your "muslim" label with another which has no negative connotations. If the Sharia laws and Qu'ran are changed to teach tolerance, peace and freedom then it will become possible for civilised societies to accept the new religion. In fact, abandoning the intolerance taught by the Qu'ran's disgraceful hate-speeches is likely to completely change people's views of you. Doing so would prove to us all that you're not an enemy and would in fact win our full respect. It's a win-win for everybody that way. Well, except for ISIS. They'll probably get pretty p*ssed about it but screw them!
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Source?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34995431

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisc...emple_shooting

    http://m.deccanherald.com/articles.p...-attacked.html

    Admittedly such attacks are not as prevalent in the UK, but harassment remains a common issue. When we talk about racism, we tend to overlook how much stress (including the stress of anticipating racism) and trauma it can cause: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...bodies/273911/
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    I tried telling her i wasnt a muslim but she didnt seem interested

    i do worry for society
    Old/middle generation are all the same. My granddad had his car window opened and said normally, " Oi look at that n*gg** there with those big bold eyes ", I tried not to laugh but was unexpected.. old Britain is old... new generation is completly different so just ignore it they'll be gone in 20 years time (old)
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Old/middle generation are all the same. My granddad had his car window opened and said normally, " Oi look at that n*gg** there with those big bold eyes ", I tried not to laugh but was unexpected.. old Britain is old... new generation is completly different so just ignore it they'll be gone in 20 years time (old)
    It's really hard to imagine all those dirty football chavs that bullied ethnic minorities in the 70's and 80's now look like innocent old people.
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    It is said in the religious scripture that killing is wrong
    except for :

    apostates, adulterers, homosexuals
    "those who fight against Allah and his Messenger"
    "those who spread corruption in the land"
    Christians and Jews who refuse to convert or to pay jizyah
    male war prisoners
    "a life for a life"

    etc etc

    However : Islam is one thing, Muslims another

    it is deeply wrong to discriminate Muslims. Everyone is responsible for his/her actions exclusively. There is no such thing as "collective guilt" in our country
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    (Original post by Longshot700)
    It's really hard to imagine all those dirty football chavs that bullied ethnic minorities in the 70's and 80's now look like innocent old people.
    Its culture and the way they was born. Its like how gays are hated in Egypt, cultural thank to the British Empire.
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    (Original post by neal95)
    Try to ignore the older generation they have seen their country change beyond recognition after all. Their fathers were probably officers or colonial administrators in India now they feel they are being colonised by Browns rather than vice versa
    Yea my grandma said that it used to be very rare that you saw ablackman in the UK I dont think she ever adjusted to it. My parents are similar and even some people in their 20's.

    Having said this she wouldnt blurt out unneccasary comments like in the op she didnt know the guy and he could be the nicest man on earth for all the old woman knew. I think op should have said something no reason to take that.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34995431

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisc...emple_shooting

    http://m.deccanherald.com/articles.p...-attacked.html

    Admittedly such attacks are not as prevalent in the UK, but harassment remains a common issue. When we talk about racism, we tend to overlook how much stress (including the stress of anticipating racism) and trauma it can cause: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...bodies/273911/
    It just seems like you are exaggerating the issue a little bit. 76 'Islamophobic offences' in a week is hardly 'frequent'. It also begs the question as to what actually qualifies as an 'Islamophobic offence'.
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    (Original post by samina_ay)
    Allahu akbar*
    (Original post by mkap)
    *Akbar
    Sorry was on my phone in the library :rofl: Not very proficient with the keyboard, evidently.

    (Original post by Chakede)
    ? shoaib akthar?
    Hmmm?
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    So? I don't care, they're Muslims who like to kill Westerners.

    I doubt the families of the bombing victims care if they were 'true muslims' or not.
    lol anyone gonna let this guy know that we've been bombing innocent muslims for a good few decades?
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    It just seems like you are exaggerating the issue a little bit. 76 'Islamophobic offences' in a week is hardly 'frequent'. It also begs the question as to what actually qualifies as an 'Islamophobic offence'.
    How absurd. Even one such incident is too many; I bet you wouldn't describe the cited rate as "hardly frequent" if it was the way around :rolleyes:

    What qualifies as an Islamiphobic offense is self-evident.
 
 
 
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