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    Hello,

    I'm curious,

    Why do people identify as Conservative and why do they think this is the best ideology?
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    I'm conservative because I believe people who earn more money than others should be allowed to keep the difference, not dish it out to the people who can't be bothered to get a job or didn't try at school.
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    That is the grossest over-simplification I think I have seen for a very long time.
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    (Original post by Mayhem™)
    I'm conservative because I believe people who earn more money than others should be allowed to keep the difference, not dish it out to the people who can't be bothered to get a job or didn't try at school.
    It can be very comforting to think that those who are wealthy are wealthy simply because they've worked harder than others, but in reality it comes down to things which are - largely - out of their control. Your parents, your education, and your intelligence are perhaps the greatest influences on your life as a whole, and you don't get to choose them.
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    (Original post by Mayhem™)
    I'm conservative because I believe people who earn more money than others should be allowed to keep the difference, not dish it out to the people who can't be bothered to get a job or didn't try at school.
    That isn't what conservative means.

    I think you may just be an arse
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That isn't what conservative means.

    I think you may just be an arse
    It's one of their aspects; oh and cry me a river because the losers at school ended up being cleaners.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That isn't what conservative means.

    I think you may just be an arse
    Hear hear!

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    I'm a tory because I grew up. My blood still bleeds red in places, and I don't (like some people) think that tax is at all a bad thing. I believe that corporatism is pragmatic, if imperfect, but overall it's the best system we have. I think that we as a society work best when there's an equal balance in taxation and spending, so balancing the books is important to me. When the government spends nearly £50bn a year on interest repayments on the national debt (roughly £800 per person, per year) that's not sustainable. I think that overall spending should be lowered, but spending on infrastructure is okay, I think that a paternal government is the most practical, and the progressive nature of the modern tory party is something to be proud of. I trust the tories with my money and the economy moreso than Labour, even if I have a lot of respect for Corbyn (and don't think he's completely wrong).

    But then again, I'm not like most conservatives.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Not really. In One nation Toryism the higher classes have an obligation to help those below them. Your view is in line with that of an anarcho-capatalist or right wing libertarian and those positions don't have to be conservative at all.
    Anarcho-capitalism is just stupid, and not actually conservative at all.
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    I'm Conservative because I believe in a low tax society in which people can have aspiration and work their way up the ranks. I'm also not a big fan of the generous welfare system which people exploited and on which nothing was done about under Labour. With a strong economy comes strong progress so I believe that a budget surplus is crucial to our long term development.

    I also am a fan of the modern day party's position on social equality; promoting how anyone should have equal rights and opportunity regardless of their gender, race or sexuality. We have taken great steps to legalise gay marriage and propose legislation to narrow down the gender pay gap.

    I'm not one to think well of the current socialist 'Labour' party; they are in a complete mess and Corbyn is just digging a hole for himself with his ultra-left ideas which will not win over the centrists and neutral- at the moment the conservatives are the only logical party who can get things done.
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    Because I don't like politicians and I don't like politicians running things.


    And the left-wing utterly insists on giving these imbeciles more and more of our money, resources and time.

    The right-wing politicians are still idiots but at least they insist on less of our money, resources and time to f*ck things up with.

    I don't understand people can dislike politicians and still be left-wing, thereby insisting that we funnel billions of pounds into their idiocy.

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    (Original post by Mayhem™)
    It's one of their aspects; oh and cry me a river because the losers at school ended up being cleaners.
    Perfect Toff Tory mentality, you have a spoon up your backside and think you worked "hard" at life.

    FYI my parents were middle class till my dad had a serious health condition after which he was on benefits ever since, he has 2 degrees and not in "mickey mouse" subjects, was a torchbearer, did a huge amount of charity work over the years but until my late teens they were so badly off they went without food at times to feed me and my brother and couldnt afford heating.

    My mum worked longer and longer volunteer hours at a local downs syndrome care home UNPAID because the council took advantage of her, she had the same role and position who were getting £10 a hour but they knew she was desperate for work experience so worked for free so failed interviews with them for them to hire people fresh out of college who dropped out within a year maximum who bossed around my mum despite having the same job position and then call her benefit scum!
    Do you think they were lazy?

    Do you think it fair at school the middle class kids were given free private tuition yet were bullies as the school outright said kids like them would not cause start fights, and saying vile things about benefit families and/or council estate kids.

    That even though I was getting 100% in classes I was never picked for inter school events but the middle class kids were despite getting 2s in class (which is B in GCSE terms)
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    (Original post by drbluebox)
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    And it's situations like this where a welfare system is important. But I think he was referring to the people who literally do not even attempt to try hard at school who see living on benefits a viable future; being against paying benefits to these types of people is a sentiment I share because it undermines the hard work of others.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Not really. In one nation Toryism the higher classes have an obligation to help those below them. Your view is in line with that of an anarcho-capatalist or right wing libertarian and those positions don't have to be conservative at all.

    You have a lot to learn you little twerp.
    Perhaps he's a Thatcherite?

    You're not very compassionate for a socialist...calling someone a "twerp" is very offensive and immature..
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    I was born into a well off background, work hard, and want to stay well off.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Anarcho-capitalism is just stupid, and not actually conservative at all.
    Stefan Molyneux xD
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    Stefan Molyneux xD
    What about him?
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    What about him?
    He's an anarcho-capitalist...a pretty notorious one. And an "internet philosopher".
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    He's an anarcho-capitalist...a pretty notorious one. And an "internet philosopher".
    I still think that it's incredibly stupid though.
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    And it's situations like this where a welfare system is important. But I think he was referring to the people who literally do not even attempt to try hard at school who see living on benefits a viable future; being against paying benefits to these types of people is a sentiment I share because it undermines the hard work of others.
    But the problem is there how do you know why they don't want to work or try hard? Maybe they have self esteem issues or so used to getting drips of money from people better off they can't see work worth it, or they have lack of opportunities.

    Back when I was at school it was before it became for everyone in the very late days of full grants(so much so I can't remember them but know my first flatmate said he had one but he was from a well off family anyway)

    I personally don't want the highest paid job out there along with high stress I want a reasonable job with reasonable pay some see that as lack of ambition I want a job where I can come home and not worry about bills but still have time to spend with family but not get the best of everything (as that means you are never happy as wanting more)
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    (Original post by drbluebox)
    But the problem is there how do you know why they don't want to work or try hard? Maybe they have self esteem issues or so used to getting drips of money from people better off they can't see work worth it, or they have lack of opportunities.

    Back when I was at school it was before it became for everyone in the very late days of full grants(so much so I can't remember them but know my first flatmate said he had one but he was from a well off family anyway)

    I personally don't want the highest paid job out there along with high stress I want a reasonable job with reasonable pay some see that as lack of ambition I want a job where I can come home and not worry about bills but still have time to spend with family but not get the best of everything (as that means you are never happy as wanting more)
    Well I'm in year 13 now and my school is in quite a deprived area, so you're going to have to trust me when I say there are some people out there who literally DO NOT want to work. Perhaps it's ingrained into their culture, which is quite likely as people with successful parents tend to also go on to be relatively successful, but if that's the case then we need to have a cultural change to one which celebrates education and rewards those who try hard. It's a tough situation really, because depriving them of benefits could give them an added incentive to get out there and try hard, but it's not going to be particularly inspiring to begin with and may impact on other parts of their life. So I think I agree with the principle, but I'm not qualified enough to really comment on the best way to implement it.

    And yeah high paid-high stress jobs aren't for everyone, and that wasn't what I was implying at all. Everyone should do a job that makes them happy and they're comfortable with, but I think it's important to be financially stable and not rely on the state.
 
 
 
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