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    (Original post by chemting)
    One and a half centuries ago!?!?!?! What a blatant lie, you're saying that the Quran was changed and rewritten, don't you know that the Quran remains preserved and unchanged for 1400 years by the grace of Allah! It's not like the bible, which has been corrupted and rewrirten one and a half centuries ago. Quran is pure and authentic. You're spreading lies with your one and a half "century" rubbish.

    This is exactly the type of lies western media has been spreading and indoctrinating into the minds of unsuspecting Islamophobes. Its an insult to say centuries.

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    not bad, not bad. Yes, innocent, unsuspecting islamophobes are being bamboozled and lied to each and every day by unscrupulous "Western media" and unabashed, brainwashing propaganda !

    about time someone denounced this scandal !
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    you're spamming your stupid anti-Islamist hate speech.
    I agree that stupid anti-Islamist hate speech is worthless spam

    we should concentrate strictly on intelligent anti-Islamist hate speech instead, or - even better- on rational, balanced anti-Islamist arguments

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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Because being an anti-Islamist is such a bad thing... :facepalm2:
    You need to realise he meant that in actual fact Muslims are the greatest victims of any terror attack. You think about yourselves but it's us who end up feeling the long term impacts. Terror attacks can never be attributed to Islam or Muslims, there is no link and only a fascist or racist would suggest so. We deserve to have rights and westerners need to show more respect to our cultures and religion. What happened to treating guests with respect?
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    why don't they like muslims? are they not living humans like you too?
    Muslims are fine

    Islam isn't.
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    What happened to treating guests with respect?
    Muslims in Western Europe are (mostly) not "guests". They are citizens. They have the same rights and responsibilities enjoyed by all other citizens. They are free to criticise democracy, secularism, sexual promiscuity, etc etc - everything they dislike in "Western" societies

    and everyone else is free to criticise Islam. As it should be.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    It is a bad thing, you're just stirring things up by criticising a religion which was detailed in the Quran 1,500 years ago. Bringing up how it 'incites violence' is stupid, Muslims have moved on. You might as well criticise Christianity as well for all of its sins. But you're preoccupied with Islam for some reason.

    The only ones who are violent nowadays are the terrorists.
    If you truly believe this then you really are naive.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    Muslims in Western Europe are (mostly) not "guests". They are citizens. They have the same rights and responsibilities enjoyed by all other citizens. They are free to criticise democracy, secularism, sexual promiscuity, etc etc - everything they dislike in "Western" societies

    and everyone else is free to criticise Islam. As it should be.
    Rights include respecting culture and religion. We have assimilated into your culture so it is only fair you accept Islamic culture too. We have a religious right to it but more than that, a need. It is a religious requirement.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    not bad, not bad. Yes, innocent, unsuspecting islamophobes are being bamboozled and lied to each and every day by unscrupulous "Western media" and unabashed, brainwashing propaganda !

    about time someone denounced this scandal !
    What is an islamaphobe?
    Is it someone who hates muslims or someone who hate Islam?
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    Rights include respecting culture and religion. We have assimilated into your culture so it is only fair you accept Islamic culture too. We have a religious right to it but more than that, a need. It is a religious requirement.
    No

    in our societies, religions can be freely debated and criticised, even in harsh terms.

    This is a state of fact. You can of course try (by peaceful, democratic means) to change this situation, but most of us consider this to be one of our fundamental rights and freedoms. One we have attained after centuries of fights and sacrifices.

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    (Original post by Shipreck)
    What is an islamaphobe?
    Is it someone who hates muslims or someone who hate Islam?
    We have been making this point for days on end on TSR

    but, apparently, without much success.

    Not a reason to give up, however

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    No

    in our societies, religions can be freely debated and criticised, even in harsh terms.

    This is a state of fact. You can of course try (by peaceful, democratic means) to change this situation, but most of us consider this to be one of our fundamental rights and freedoms. One we have attained after centuries of fights and sacrifices.

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    Well it will change so you better soon get used to it
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    Well it will change so you better soon get used to it
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    No one , in our societies, can claim to have his/her religion or ideology be immune from criticism

    Not Christians, not Communists, Scientologists, Anti-vivisectionists, Liberals, Conservatives, Buddhists, Neo-Fabians, Kuffarists, anti-Kuffarists

    and not Muslims
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    (Original post by vixmixrix)
    pisslam is evil.
    Just like the animals who follow it, who I wish did not exist, but since they sadly do I wish they will all die in agony.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    and stopping those who are helping smuggle terrorists into Europe
    does that include immigration policies that allow these things to happen :yum:
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    It is a bad thing, you're just stirring things up by criticising a religion which was detailed in the Quran 1,500 years ago. Bringing up how it 'incites violence' is stupid, Muslims have moved on. You might as well criticise Christianity as well for all of its sins. But you're preoccupied with Islam for some reason.

    The only ones who are violent nowadays are the terrorists.
    If you believe opposing Islam, or being an 'anti-Islamist', is a bad thing, then you certainly have an odd definition of what constitutes 'good' and 'bad'.

    Detailed in the Quran 1,500 it may be, but it was in Brussels on the twenty-second of this month. The text itself is, in parts, a direct incitement of violence and most of its followers around the world decide to interpret it that way. Some moderate Western Muslims may have moved on, though most haven't and therein lies the concern.

    Although all religions should be criticised for being wrong in the same way, there is reason to be preoccupied with Islam. Some religions are clearly more dangerous than others at any given time, and this is clearly the case regarding Islam today. At one point it would have been Christianity, but not so anymore.
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    Rights include respecting culture and religion. We have assimilated into your culture so it is only fair you accept Islamic culture too. We have a religious right to it but more than that, a need. It is a religious requirement.
    Islam will be criticised whether you assimilate or not. We don't need other culture in the UK other than british culture. We do not have to accept your culture. You do not have to accept ours. But if you want to be accepted, you do.
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    (Original post by Dkj504)
    If you believe opposing Islam, or being an 'anti-Islamist', is a bad thing, then you certainly have an odd definition of what constitutes 'good' and 'bad'.

    Detailed in the Quran 1,500 it may be, but it was in Brussels on the twenty-second of this month. The text itself is, in parts, a direct incitement of violence and most of its followers around the world decide to interpret it that way. Some moderate Western Muslims may have moved on, though most haven't and therein lies the concern.

    Although all religions should be criticised for being wrong in the same way, there is reason to be preoccupied with Islam. Some religions are clearly more dangerous than others at any given time, and this is clearly the case regarding Islam today. At one point it would have been Christianity, but not so anymore.
    thanks for an excellent post

    I also agree that, for a long time, Christianity represented a menace for European peace and progress (while however, at the same time, helping us to resist Islam)

    but, in the last few dozen years, Christianity has hugely improved, at least in Europe. And, with the demise of Communism, Islam has become the main threat for our traditional freedoms, secular democracy, our way of life

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    (Original post by vixmixrix)
    report away you muslim/leftist/homesxual.
    why should I ? those (even if inaccurate) are not insults
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    Rights include respecting culture and religion. We have assimilated into your culture so it is only fair you accept Islamic culture too. We have a religious right to it but more than that, a need. It is a religious requirement.
    That wouldn't be a right, rather a responsibility and it's nothing of the kind. In fact, it's actually my right not to respect culture and religion (though one in imminent danger). I respect other people's right to have a religion and practice it, not religion itself - that's a vital distinction. And as for Islamic culture, feel free to take part in it, in as much as it complies with the law of the land, but don't ask me to join in or stop me from criticising it.

    I find it hard to believe that the majority of British Muslims are assimilated into "our culture", that's not the case geographically never mind culturally. I don't even think we have a distinct culture anymore, or if we do then it's too complicated for me to understand at least. The closest I can come to defining such a thing is getting smashed and sarcasm, and I'd be sorry if we lost either.
 
 
 
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