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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    Does it?
    Of course not.
    People who kill have no religion, no belief, no mankind. The only thing they have is this word we invent for them. Terrorism.
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    Not necessarily. But certain interpretations of your faith may lead one to find justification for heinous crimes such as those we saw in Brussels and Nairobi.
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    (Original post by FrenchUnicorn)
    Of course not.
    People who kill have no religion, no belief, no mankind. The only thing they have is this word we invent for them. Terrorism.
    This is where my issue lays. We need to stop saying that they are not 'Muslims'. Why is it OK to call a peaceful individual a Muslim but a violent one who follows the very same dogma, not a Muslim? We have no quarrel admitting that the KKK are Christians. So, is it fear of offending a minority?

    The fact that is that ignorance exists on both sides of the discussion. Until we confront the issue head on, no progress will be achieved.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    No, you just dedicate your life to the same book that many terrorists do. Which should make you question the book, but not yourself.
    So if 0.00001% of people that read a book commit crimes, there's something wrong with the book? Think we need to start questioning a lot of books...
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Not necessarily. But certain interpretations of your faith may lead one to find justification for heinous crimes such as those we saw in Brussels and Nairobi.
    A religious holy book can't be free from any violent quotes just like the bible...but put in mind that the quran was untouched and remained preserved for more than 1500 years...where wars did often occur against islam and threatning it
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    This is where my issue lays. We need to stop saying that they are not 'Muslims'. Why is it OK to call a peaceful individual a Muslim but a violent one who follows the very same dogma, not a Muslim?

    The fact that is that ignorance exists on both sides of the discussion. Until we confront the issue head on, no progress will be achieved.
    They are whatever they call themsleves. And here's the prob ^.^
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    like half the members here are muslims - what answer were you expecting? 50% "yes"?
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Not necessarily. But certain interpretations of your faith may lead one to find justification for heinous crimes such as those we saw in Brussels and Nairobi.
    Then why not all muslims do the same thing if it was right?!! or is it because just a VERY minority who call themselves muslims think it's right...you assume that's what the religion taught us? Why do you think people convert to islam e.g. mohammed ali...because he wants to bomb cities ?!! or is it because the quran in fact teaches us love and peace ?!
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    Then why not all muslims do the same thing if it was right?!! or is it because just a VERY minority who call themselves muslims think it's right...you assume that's what the religion taught us?
    (Original post by Aceadria)
    This is where my issue lays. We need to stop saying that they are not 'Muslims'. Why is it OK to call a peaceful individual a Muslim but a violent one who follows the very same dogma, not a Muslim?
    Sin does exist in islam. So a level-headed muslim could simply argue that terrorist muslims are muslims, but they are also sinners. It is quite strange, however, that in general, muslims do not want to admit that there can be such a thing as a sinning muslim. They prefer to call such a person a "not-real muslim" for some reason. Apparently only perfect muslims are allowed to refer to themselves as muslims.
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    (Original post by llys)
    Sin does exist in islam. So a level-headed muslim could simply argue that terrorist muslims are muslims, but they are also sinners. It is quite strange, however, that in general, muslims do not want to admit that there can be such a thing as a sinning muslim. They prefer to call such a person a "not-real muslim" for some reason. Apparently only perfect muslims are allowed to refer to themselves as muslims.
    there you go ...they are sinning muslims therefore the acts they commit are against islam...which means islam is not violent !
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    there you go ...they are sinning muslims therefore the acts they commit are against islam...which means islam is not violent !
    So you admit that they are muslims, then.
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    stop attention seeking, the comfort you get from people saying your not is only temporary.

    You know what you are, you don't need others to tell you.
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    (Original post by llys)
    So you admit that they are muslims, then.
    what I was trying to say that the acts they commit are not of what muslims do...they may be muslims...but really sinful ones who think it's ok to go around and kill people...this is not what our religion taught us!
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    It is categorically impossible to be Muslim and be a terrorist. The two do not go hand in hand. To be a Muslim means you are peaceful, tolerant and the best a human being could be. You can't be a terrorist and be a Muslim. Its like saying you can't be on earth and the moon at the same time. The fact is nothing whatsoever in Islamic scripture can be linked to these terror attacks.

    You are more likely to be western and be a terrorist
    I almost don't want to this respond to this because it seems like a troll. If you are in such denial that you think there is no correlation between Muslims and terrorism you have been brainwashed beyond repair. The matter of the fact is, the Qu'ran clearly has elements that open it to negative interpretation otherwise so many wouldn't be killing in the name of Islam. Your interpretation of the Qu'ran may be a peaceful one, choosing to ignore some passages and what not, but who is to say your interpretation is correct and ISIS's interpretation isn't.
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    what I was trying to say that the acts they commit are not of what muslims do...they may be muslims...but really sinful ones who think it's ok to go around and kill people...this is not what our religion taught us!
    I know. For what it's worth, I don't think many people think moderate islam is violent. (Almost by definition, it isn't.) The problem is that these really sinful muslims do take their inspiration from islam too. I do think that their views are distorted - after all, these people clearly have psychological problems and it is very likely that this affects their perception of themselves and of islam. Yet they are able to pretend to themselves that islam justifies what they do.
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    Yes OP it does according to the media
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    So if 0.00001% of people that read a book commit crimes, there's something wrong with the book? Think we need to start questioning a lot of books...
    I can't think of another book where a majority of people who dedicate their life to it support killing homosexuals and apostates due to it.
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    A religious holy book can't be free from any violent quotes just like the bible...but put in mind that the quran was untouched and remained preserved for more than 1500 years.
    the quran has had various alterations many times. read up on its initial compilation post mohammed, then its standardisation by Uthman


    (Original post by elforjg02)
    ..where wars did often occur against islam and threatning it
    most of the wars were begun by islamic leaders trying to absorb other peoples land into their own. you have a terrible grasp on historical facts
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    (Original post by elforjg02)
    Then why not all muslims do the same thing if it was right?!! or is it because just a VERY minority who call themselves muslims think it's right...you assume that's what the religion taught us? Why do you think people convert to islam e.g. mohammed ali...because he wants to bomb cities ?!! or is it because the quran in fact teaches us love and peace ?!
    mohammed ali converted because he was pissed off with the USA government , and egged on by malcolm x
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    I can't think of another book where a majority of people who dedicate their life to it support killing homosexuals and apostates due to it.
    Do you know what majority means?
 
 
 
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