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    A 17-year-old girl in Denmark has seen a wave of support after police threatened to fine her for using pepper spray to fight off a sex attacker.

    The teenager told police Wednesday evening that she was sexually assaulted by a dark-skinned English-speaking man near a migrant asylum center in central Sønderborg. She said the man knocked her to the ground and tried to undress her before she was able to fight him off with her pepper spray, which is illegal in Denmark, The Local reported.

    The man who allegedly attacked the girl fled the scene and has not been charged. It is unclear if the man was an asylum seeker or refugee.

    The news comes after several female residents in Sønderborg reported earlier this month that they felt harassed by some of the asylum seekers in the area. A nightclub in the town has gone as far as barring guests if they cannot speak Danish, English or German.

    The case has sparked controversy in Denmark, with members of the public so outraged by the girl’s fine they have offered to pay it themselves, Denmark’s English language news network The Local reported.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...osecution.html

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...per-spray-on-/


    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/...60e4d7dca1fb82
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    If it was Sweden, they'd probably tell her she should have let the migrant rape her.
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    Why have you changed the story in your headline which says she was fined, but the article says she was only threatened with being fined?
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    I completely support her and the right to defend yourself, but she either knew or should have known that pepper sprays are illegal and should be willing to accept consequences.

    If people are so outraged by it, maybe its time for them to fight to change the law.
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    Great, she should have cut his **** off at the same time
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    How dare she try and stop another individual from raping her. I mean what has this world come to.
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    Un****ingbelievable.
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    1. She wasnt fined.
    2. Its not about fighting someone off its about having an illegal weapon.

    People should read the article.

    If they want to allow pepper sprays then they should change the law.
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    She deserves to be fined.
    After all, she resisted cultural enrichment.
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    And why did you say he ran away but wasn't charged they obviously would charge him if and when he's caught. Or would you have used secret magic powers to apprehend the individual.
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    The police are supposed to act in the interest of the public I don't think fining someone who is defending is in the interest of the public
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    A 17-year-old girl in Denmark has seen a wave of support after police threatened to fine her for using pepper spray to fight off a sex attacker.

    The teenager told police Wednesday evening that she was sexually assaulted by a dark-skinned English-speaking man near a migrant asylum center in central Sønderborg. She said the man knocked her to the ground and tried to undress her before she was able to fight him off with her pepper spray, which is illegal in Denmark, The Local reported.

    The man who allegedly attacked the girl fled the scene and has not been charged. It is unclear if the man was an asylum seeker or refugee.

    The news comes after several female residents in Sønderborg reported earlier this month that they felt harassed by some of the asylum seekers in the area. A nightclub in the town has gone as far as barring guests if they cannot speak Danish, English or German.

    The case has sparked controversy in Denmark, with members of the public so outraged by the girl’s fine they have offered to pay it themselves, Denmark’s English language news network The Local reported.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...osecution.html

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...per-spray-on-/


    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/...60e4d7dca1fb82
    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Wtf, defending herself against rape? That's a hate crime!
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    The issue here about the fine for pepper spray is that it's illegal to carry pepper spray.

    The police and courts have to enforce the law as it stands.

    Now most people would think its common sense to say that if the girl was in danger and acting in self defence then it's not right to punish her, but this opens a can of legal worms if a precedent is set that it's usually illegal to carry pepper spray but a legit defence is "it was being used to prevent sexual assault".

    What happens when a guy starts chatting up a girl, and the girl decides to pepper spray him and then claim he was sexually assaulting her. If this has been established as a legal precedent then we start putting men in a weaker legal position as any woman can start claiming sexual assault and use it to defend using an illegal weapon on a man.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Oh, I know its about carrying pepper spray, rather than using it in defense, but that law is ridiculous with the current rise in assaults, and the police should recognise that
    Then its up to their government to change it.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Oh, I know its about carrying pepper spray, rather than using it, but that law is ridiculous with the current rise in assaults, and the police should recognise that
    There are other ways to prevent harm to oneself and to defend oneself legally. Pepperspray is illegal to carry, she should or will have known that before purchasing it. Something to remember also is that she can take self-defence classes -- and in fact it's arguably better if she does, assuming she has no pre-existing physical conditions that prevent her from doing so. You learn discipline and confidence through martial arts, you learn next to nothing carrying pepperspray.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The police, with their limited budgets, should use common sense in determining the priorities of people to pursue. During a huge increase in sex attacks, should they focus on those carrying pepper spray illegally, or those committing the attacks?
    They should apply the law as is.
    You dont know the circumstances in which the pepper spray was discussed.
    You dont know how much they focused on the attack, it could all have been entirely proportionate.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Police in Europe are clearly struggling to contain violent criminality, why waste resources on girls carrying self defense pepper spray?

    Applying the law to the letter, mindlessly, inflexibly, without regards to circumstances, is absurd.
    But they havent applied the law in that way have they. they have warned her about carrying a pepper spray which is illegal under their law. Its their job to uphold the law. Stop making things up and distorting what happened.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Not everyone can do martial arts - what if they have a back injury, injury, or are pregnant?

    Will they remember all their special martial arts moves in the heat of the moment?

    Also, with pepper spray, you can fire it and run away. With martial arts, you take a much greater risk, because you assume that you can disable your attacker, and that s/he isn't armed. If they pull out a knife, you are f*cked.
    You do have some good arguments here. Thanks for responding.

    "Not everyone can do MA" -- yes, that's why I said assuming she is physically capable.

    "Will they remember?" -- That would depend on how long they have been training for and whether it has become an automatic reaction. You do learn vital areas to target to disable an attacker during lessons. Many people already go for these areas with no MA training whatsoever.

    "Much greater risk" -- Potentially the victim might assume they can take down their attacker, yes, but not always, or not completely. But this would depend on the skill and attitude of the victim and whether or not the attacker has any fighting skills. If they do, or even if they don't, they could potentially disarm someone with pepperspray and take them down. Then, just like with a knife or a bat, it can be used against you -- so you've essentially handed them something to hit you with which is one of the last things you'll want. You've also assumed the victim will also think the attacker will be unarmed. They might assume they are, or it might not occur to them in the heat of the moment. If it doesn't, then yes, that could become a problem. But if the victim is trained enough, disarming someone with a knife can easily un-**** them, as you said.

    Pepperspray can also be used offensively against someone who is innocent. I acknowledge so can MA, but again there is an aspect of discipline and self-control present that isn't with pepperspray. With SD you can strike and run away as well. It's not about fighting, it's about protection. On top of that, you don't run the risk of handing the attacker a weapon because there's nothing to hand them.

    Edit: I'd also like to add that you can automatically reach for pepperspray in a situation that doesn't warrant it and escalate a situation further. There is potential for that as well.
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    I'm sure she was carrying a pepper spray for good reason. Imagine how awful it must be there if women are carrying illegal weapons specifically to fight off rapists.
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    I understand she had an illegal weapon but the authorities should just give her a slap on the wrist since she used it for self defense. It saved her life.
 
 
 
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