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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    So you lost then? as you proceeded to call the prophet a pedo and are doing so once again and on top of that you cannot justify this you just extend on a lie with your sick imagination. Wouldn't be surprised if you touched kids too.

    Please explain the dirty non muslim pedos in society today and the pope? the english pedos today reflect on the society we dwell in and the members in it like you.
    I've proved the holy mo is a disgusting individual with logic - something those with religion addled brains cannot get their minds around.

    All religion is nonsense. Islam just happens to be particularly abhorrent, but you'd like to deflect the discussion onto other religions to disguise the fact that the poster child for islam is a scumbag.

    If you want to pray to a dirty cave dweller and an imaginary magic sky man, you rock on. Those of us with a brain between our ears have worked out religion is just a convenient man-made means to controll the vulnerable and those with a weak mind.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    I'm not so sure I understand entirely what you mean; I don't think I agree with what you said as far as I understood it. Though I appreciate the effort of the post.

    Care to explain what you mean further, and with reference to those countries/ideologies (France, Nazi's, USSR, and USA)?

    Cheers
    Thanks for your reply.

    As a matter of broad explanation:

    Royalist France was aristocratic, highly inegalitarian and religious in the 18th century. It was also the strongest country in Europe, at many points taking on everyone else. The legacy of Royalism meant that Napoleonic France was able to dominate all of Europe for a short time. Royalist France could have done so too, but kings are too wise to expend their nation's wealth for unnecessary and counterproductive wars of personal glory (unlike petty corporals). The aftermath of the revolution saw an irreversible egalitarian malaise set in, which culminated in the election of socialists in the 30s and the defeat to the Nazis.

    Russian history followed the same story.

    This video should give you a good starting point, if you are interested:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyIzoBwXVk
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    Thanks for your reply.

    As a matter of broad explanation:

    Royalist France was aristocratic, highly inegalitarian and religious in the 18th century. It was also the strongest country in Europe, at many points taking on everyone else. The legacy of Royalism meant that Napoleonic France was able to dominate all of Europe for a short time. Royalist France could have done so too, but kings are too wise to expend their nation's wealth for unnecessary and counterproductive wars of personal glory (unlike petty corporals). The aftermath of the revolution saw an irreversible egalitarian malaise set in, which culminated in the election of socialists in the 30s and the defeat to the Nazis.

    Russian history followed the same story.

    This video should give you a good starting point, if you are interested:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyIzoBwXVk
    I have to say I strongly disagree with the notion that the video suggests, and I'm not sure there is any credible basis for what is suggested that I can think of.

    I feel that what I heard in the video was rather abhorrent and unfounded, putting a face of credibility on something which has none - particularly by citing sparsely related studies and a single professor without giving citation.
    This doesn't allow the viewer to evaluate them to check that findings haven't been twisted or even just invented (like politicians often like to do).
    Seemed also to be somewhat emotive at points, despite trying to appear unbiased and 'collected'.

    It seems that the viewpoint is based primarily on a fear of a takeover, particularly from Islam.
    But interestingly, that video suggests that we should give up our free society, and become somewhat like a strict Islamic society; in other words, if you can't beat them, join them. To me, this doesn't make sense at all.

    Though I don't agree with it from what I have seen; it is an interesting notion that more egalitarian societies become in some way, militarily, and perhaps even culturally weaker. Something that I have not considered before.

    Of course, if one is to instantly shoot down and fail to consider everything that is disagreed with, then no one would learn anything... so I appreciate the discussion!

    P.S. Just an observation of the other videos of that poster (Thought Police and Political Correctness) says that for there to be quality of life there must be freedom; which I sort of feel goes against that one I watched prior which suggested less freedom and participation in society of women.
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    (Original post by JC.)
    I've proved the holy mo is a disgusting individual with logic - something those with religion addled brains cannot get their minds around.

    All religion is nonsense. Islam just happens to be particularly abhorrent, but you'd like to deflect the discussion onto other religions to disguise the fact that the poster child for islam is a scumbag.

    If you want to pray to a dirty cave dweller and an imaginary magic sky man, you rock on. Those of us with a brain between our ears have worked out religion is just a convenient man-made means to controll the vulnerable and those with a weak mind.
    Weak mind? I'm pretty sure there is a lot more intelligent muslims than there are of people like you, and that's a fact. Maybe you need to understand the religion a lot better before you go charging ahead with your basic insults. It is not a matter of deflection it was merely a comparison of my religion and the dirty elements of your background which you seem to accept even though we are in the 21st century. Magic man? I take it you have not endorsed the science in the quran either, but I guess someone with a logic like yours would think science is magic too :lol: as for the cave.... what time was ISlam revealed? I'm pretty sure the likelihood of caves were pretty common
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    (Original post by chemting)
    "It was accepted at the time" is the worst excuse ever. The prophet is supposed to be timeless, "ahead of his time" progressive, a bastion of morality for all of time. He wasn't supposed to have been influenced by culture and time, unless you admit he wasn't the "apostle of allah", just another fallible Arab who achieved things politically?

    People don't take 16th century England as a basis for all morality & way of life, and King John as the most perfect person to have ever lived. Muslims do.

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    No they don't, There are many prophets, we don;t all glorify muhammad pbuh like we do when we worship Allah. He was the last messenger and the quran was revealed through him is why muslims follow his way of sunnah. King john ruled over england and therefore people had to look up to him and worship him, so all english people must be looking up to a pedo then? and how is a human being meant to be timeless? he is not a time traveller nor does he posses the power to avoid the culture back then because he was trying to ammend it with the commands of Allah. And how many modern day muslims take muhammad pbuh way of life like they do their own? times have changed so it isn't possible for events like this to occur as they did back in 16th century england or when the quran was revealed. but the worship of Allah is the main thing and that has remained the same.
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    (Original post by Amina.S16)
    Finally someone said it 👏🏾
    It's part of your religion whether you like it or not and denying it won't make it go away.

    The pacifists in your religion, the passivity of hiding terrorists in the midst of the Islamic congregations, the tacit approval of abhorrent practices in the name of Islam, claiming it's cultural and not Islamic all scream out that huge numbers of Muslims are in denial.

    Stop living in the 7th century and acknowledge the fallacies and flaws in a 1200 year old text.
    Better still, face the truth and actively do something to purge your religion of the words in the Qur'an that give terrorists their legitimacy.
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    (Original post by chemting)
    "It was accepted at the time" is the worst excuse ever. The prophet is supposed to be timeless, "ahead of his time" progressive, a bastion of morality for all of time. He wasn't supposed to have been influenced by culture and time, unless you admit he wasn't the "apostle of allah", just another fallible Arab who achieved things politically?

    People don't take 16th century England as a basis for all morality & way of life, and King John as the most perfect person to have ever lived. Muslims do.

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    PRSOM

    Yeah....let's not go back to that.

    We tend to go off people who are found to have had sex with minors, we don't really uphold them as examples
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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    Myanmar is why
    And ISIS is why we won't all convert to Islam.

    The problems in Myanmar are actually just a retaliation to Muslim violence. Buddhists are peaceful people who teach pacifism and tolerance. We're the polar opposite of people like Mohammad (pbuh).

    However, if our people come under threat like they have in Myanmar we strike back in defence of our homes, families and culture. Things in Myanmar have gone way out of control, but people are scared. They saw what Muslim immigrants did to the west and they don't want such atrocities happening in Myanmar to their friends and families.

    Things in the west escalated it but it originally started from the actions of barbarians like ISIS and people like you who try to force your religion upon us.

    We don't believe in Allah. We don't think that Mohammad (pbuh) was a prophet or a civilised man. We don't want to live under Sharia law. We have our own religion, laws and culture. We will not throw away our freedom to barbarians like you. If you can't accept that then p*ss off to Saudi.
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    Why don't we all just convert to Christianity? The religion of our homeland and ancestors. Also less terrorism.
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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    Weak mind? I'm pretty sure there is a lot more intelligent muslims than there are of people like, and that's a fact. Maybe you need to understand the religion a lot better before you go charging ahead with your basic insults. It is not a matter of deflection it was merely a comparison of my religion and the dirty elements of your background which you seem ti accept even though we are in the 21st century. Magic man? I take it you have not endorsed the science in the quran either, but I guess someone with a logic like yours would think science is magic too :lol: as for the cave.... what time was ISlam revealed? I'm pretty sure the likelihood of caves were pretty common
    Hello, chemical physicist here!

    Quranic science was disproven long ago. Mohammad (pbuh) got it all abhorrently wrong, just like genesis in the bible. Quranic science has as much credibility as Anita Sarkessian and Kent/Eric Hovind, which is to say, none.

    Do you look up to the Queen and worship her? No? Well neither did people in King John's time worship him. They were Christians, they worshipped God and Jesus.

    There's actually a positive correlation between intelligence and the extent to which people blindly follow religions. Someone like you who questions nothing is likely to be an absolute dimwit according to this trend. Remember that next time you try to call someone else stupid.
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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    No they don't,
    You're saying Muslims don't take prophet muhammad as a source of moral authority?

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    There are many prophets, we don;t all glorify muhammad pbuh like we do when we worship Allah.
    Ofc Islam has many prophets but that wasn't my point...

    "we don;t all glorify muhammad pbuh" - I'm afraid I have no idea how to respond to that...

    Nice troll mate 10/10

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    He was the last messenger and the quran was revealed through him is why muslims follow his way of sunnah.
    Sunnah is "is the verbally transmitted record of the teachings, deeds and sayings, silent permissions (or disapprovals) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, as well as various reports about Muhammad's companions." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnah)

    ... please tell me how you don't all glorify prophet muhammad, I'm curious. Next you'll be telling me he isn't the perfect role model to be copied if one is to be granted jannah.

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    King john ruled over england and therefore people had to look up to him and worship him, so all english people must be looking up to a pedo then?
    You missed my point, please tell me which person in the British Isles presently think that King John (who, btw, rejected the Magna Carta) was the best and the holiest person to have ever lived, and who was "god's apostle"? Magna Carta is considered one of England's greatest heritage, why would "english people" look to up to a guy who initially rejected it?

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    and how is a human being meant to be timeless?
    This is the same conversation I had with a "convert" in another thread. I ask again, if one is not "timeless", then it is futile to base your entire morality and complete way of life on that person, is it not?

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    he is not a time traveller nor does he posses the power to avoid the culture back then because he was trying to ammend it with the commands of Allah.
    He obviously did not amend it, as he participated in it... I don't see what your point is. Is he an "Apostle of Allah" or just another Arab who achieved things politically?

    (Original post by luminarychild)
    And how many modern day muslims take muhammad pbuh way of life like they do their own? times have changed so it isn't possible for events like this to occur as they did back in 16th century england or when the quran was revealed. but the worship of Allah is the main thing and that has remained the same.
    So morality IS subjective and changes with time, does it not? and therefore, we shouldn't completely base our lives around 7th century scripture...?

    If you are only going to take the Quran, you find that there is no specific things about "worship of Allah". You can't take the authority of the hadiths, as "times have changed" and therefore the oxthodox and pendantic nature of salah goes out of the window. All this 5 times a day, waving hands and pointing fingers and gender segregation and saying ritualistic stuff in (ancient) Arabic comes from the hadiths (and the rest of the sunnah).

    I'm happy for you if you don't believe in that. For example I support Dr Taj Hargey's cause on his "open mosque" mission. (not in terms of debate ofc - where we disagree - but I think its a positive thing)

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/open...uth-africa-934

    http://theopenmosque.co.za/mission-vision/
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    PRSOM

    Yeah....let's not go back to that.
    Well said, I prefer the past to be the past (most of the time!)

    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    We tend to go off people who are found to have had sex with minors, we don't really uphold them as examples
    Not everyone it seems, one of Hillary Clinton's endorser, Lena Dunham is apparently a pedophile iirc. But most people
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Well said, I prefer the past to be the past (most of the time!)



    Not everyone it seems, one of Hillary Clinton's endorser, Lena Dunham is apparently a pedophile iirc. But most people
    Lena Dunham?! As in Girls? A pedophile? What?
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Lena Dunham?! As in Girls? A pedophile? What?
    Long story haha, I prefer not to go there.

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    (Original post by chemting)
    Long story haha, I prefer not to go there.

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    I just googled quickly....

    Errrr

    From the little I read, yep that is disturbing!

    Why would you put that in a book! Or do it in the first place?!

    I was never a huge fan, but now....eugh

    Good spot chemting
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    (Original post by King Scorchy)
    It would make everyone stop fighting, and then we can get on with things.
    CONVERT OR DIE SCUM!

    What about converting you into Christianity? Christianity is older religion than Islam, so Islam is a changed copy.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    I just googled quickly....

    Errrr

    From the little I read, yep that is disturbing!

    Why would you put that in a book! Or do it in the first place?!

    I was never a huge fan, but now....eugh

    Good spot chemting
    Haha thanks, apparently I've been told this goes much deeper but I never really looked into this - and I don't want to haha!

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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    Why don't we all just convert to Christianity? The religion of our homeland and ancestors. Also less terrorism.
    Christianity has a dark history

    And OP, I wouldn't mind converting, not out of belief, but out of respect
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Christianity has a dark history

    And OP, I wouldn't mind converting, not out of belief, but out of respect
    And so does Islam. Doesn't seem to have got out of that dark period.

    Suspected troll account, but you're a retard regardless.
 
 
 

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