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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Many religions says that if you don't pray or do xyz you will burn in hell for eternity. Why are you singling out Islam? Evidently people in the UK who leave Islam aren't put to death.
    That's not what he said he said the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    yes, check the list.

    and great, that's one confirmed Muslim woman who thinks gays should be killed

    what about apostates, and what about the fact that it shows that one singular Muslim thinks this
    A number of TSR Muslims didn't react well when I created a discussion about the permissibility of being homosexual within Islam. I believe there is room for acceptance of homosexuality in Islam, but I would not pretend that many Muslims are accepting of homosexuality. There are some who are accepting, but they are a minority. For example, when I opened up dialogue about the permissibility of gay marriage in Islam, it didn't take long for a TSR Muslim ember to respond, saying homosexuals deserve the death penalty:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3831935

    And then you can find some TSR Muslims arguing against my case put forward for a defence of homosexuality here:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3513997
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    the first is a list of countries that 'claim' to be democratic

    this doe snot make them so and I would have expected more than this form you (Jesus you've just claimed Iran is a democratic country even better it includes Syria )

    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/danielpyco...ink-of-the-uk/

    All of the information has been sourced

    But here show 40% of Muslims want sharia which does kill gay people and apostates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...23/uk.religion


    But here is a rather timely article for you to ignore

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a6960561.html

    I note how some of these countries that kill people for leaving Islam are also on your list of countries you claim are democratic and have no issues.
    I was hoping you would take the initiative and search through the list to find democratic governments, I guess I overestimated your capability once again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joko_Widodo
    This is the leader of the Indonesia democratic party of struggle, and he is a Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beji_Caid_Essebsi
    This is the leader of the Tunisian government, which is a social democrat party. And he is also Muslim.

    What more do you need to understand that governments exist with democracy and Islam together?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Many religions says that if you don't pray or do xyz you will burn in hell for eternity. Why are you singling out Islam? Evidently people in the UK who leave Islam aren't put to death.
    They are often threatened with death and, in many unfortunate cases, are killed by their parents (usually father).

    In the video I posted to ex-Muslim woman quotes a story about a 16 year old woman who was murdered by her father for not wearing the veil.

    I'm not "singling out Islam", I'm simply handing you sources. You asked for examples of UK muslims calling for homosexuals to be killed and whether 'apostasy = death' to UK muslims.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ting-boys.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19068490


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-after-6661927


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3IDSG6xfo (poor choice of source, but doesn't mean this didn't happen)
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    They are often threatened with death and, in many unfortunate cases, are killed by their parents (usually father).

    In the video I posted to ex-Muslim woman quotes a story about a 16 year old woman who was murdered by her father for not wearing the veil.

    I'm not "singling out Islam", I'm simply handing you sources. You asked for examples of UK muslims calling for homosexuals to be killed and whether 'apostasy = death' to UK muslims.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ting-boys.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19068490


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-after-6661927


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3IDSG6xfo (poor choice of source, but doesn't mean this didn't happen)
    I didn't ask you though, did I?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I was hoping you would take the initiative and search through the list to find democratic governments, I guess I overestimated your capability once again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joko_Widodo
    This is the leader of the Indonesia democratic party of struggle, and he is a Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beji_Caid_Essebsi
    This is the leader of the Tunisian government, which is a social democrat party. And he is also Muslim.

    What more do you need to understand that governments exist with democracy and Islam together?
    Why would I do your work for you?

    Indonesia
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/04/...us-intolerance

    The Decline of Constitutional Democracy in Indonesia

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=...oblems&f=false

    and where Islam tries to coexist with democracy it has always failed as it is too restrictive to allow people the choice to form their own parties

    But I note you ignored the rest of the post
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    I didn't ask you though, did I?

    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    yes, check the list.

    and great, that's one confirmed Muslim woman who thinks gays should be killed

    what about apostates, and what about the fact that it shows that one singular Muslim thinks this
    This suggests otherwise.

    But whether you asked or not doesn't matter, I still gave you proof that some Muslims in the UK do kill (or threaten to kill) their own if they 1) Decide to leave Islam 2)Do not fit their "morals" and expectations" 2) are gay.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Why would I do your work for you?

    Indonesia
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/04/...us-intolerance

    The Decline of Constitutional Democracy in Indonesia

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=...oblems&f=false

    and where Islam tries to coexist with democracy it has always failed as it is too restrictive to allow people the choice to form their own parties

    But I note you ignored the rest of the post
    In other words, you're being an ignorant denier again, I remember why I blocked you. Welcome back

    Islam and democracy have worked for decades and are still working right now, subject to revision of course - but then again so has Christianity and other religions (been revised to work with the government)

    Goodbye, I will not be clicking 'view post' on any rubbish you have to say, given that you've proven that you'll deny anything regardless
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    This suggests otherwise.

    But whether you asked or not doesn't matter, I still gave you proof that some Muslims in the UK do kill (or threaten to kill) their own if they 1) Decide to leave Islam 2)Do not fit their "morals" and expectations" 2) are gay.
    You have not proven that Muslims 'do kill' in the UK over this. Goodbye.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    In other words, you're being an ignorant denier again, I remember why I blocked you. Welcome back

    Islam and democracy have worked for decades and are still working right now, subject to revision of course - but then again so has Christianity and other religions (been revised to work with the government)

    Goodbye, I will not be clicking 'view post' on any rubbish you have to say, given that you've proven that you'll deny anything regardless
    AH bless

    I counter your argument with facts and you stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala lalalala

    Real mature Frank
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You have not proven that Muslims 'do kill' in the UK over this. Goodbye.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You have not proven that Muslims 'do kill' in the UK over this. Goodbye.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34357047

    Your lack of empathy for the victims is really quite shocking
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Many religions says that if you don't pray or do xyz you will burn in hell for eternity. Why are you singling out Islam?
    It isn't about what happens in a non-existent afterlife, is it? It is about what adherents say should happen to supposed transgressors in life.

    Other religions have problems with their ideologies, but the reason Islam is singled out is that this thread (started by a Moslem) is about Islam. Anything else would be a sidetrack. Isn't that obvious?

    By the way, please stop sending me childish personal messages accusing me of preaching hatred. I make no bones about Islam being an unpleasant and aggressive ideology, but I have never said or done anything to or about anyone who is a Moslem (except criticise their religion, of course). They should not be persecuted or harmed because they follow their religion, or for any other reason or in any way outside the law.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You have not proven that Muslims 'do kill' in the UK over this. Goodbye.
    Have you already forgotten the Glasgow shopkeeper, allegedly murdered by other Moslems just for being of the wrong Islamic (or in their eyes, non-Islamic) sect, the murder having been praised by a Moslem sect that approves of such things?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    By the way, please stop sending me childish personal messages accusing me of preaching hatred.
    He's done that to me too lol

    He's a bigot.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)

    By the way, please stop sending me childish personal messages accusing me of preaching hatred.
    This was the one he sent to me

    'Senior Network Security Engineer oh dear, no wonder you blame your life issues on muslims '

    this was my reply

    http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...JobId=65128999

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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    This was the one he sent to me

    'Senior Network Security Engineer oh dear, no wonder you blame your life issues on muslims '

    this was my reply

    http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...JobId=65128999

    :lol:

    He's such a melt.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    This was the one he sent to me

    'Senior Network Security Engineer oh dear, no wonder you blame your life issues on muslims '

    this was my reply

    http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...JobId=65128999

    :toofunny: He has no idea.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Have you already forgotten the Glasgow shopkeeper, allegedly murdered by other Moslems just for being of the wrong Islamic (or in their eyes, non-Islamic) sect, the murder having been praised by a Moslem sect that approves of such things?
    More assumptions, just like yesterday. You're assuming that he was killed because of that.

    You can't run an argument against Islam based on assumptions, when you've likely never even talked to Muslims about their faith.

    Also not sure if I should take you seriously anymore given that you are apparently certain of my age and that you have been saying 'Moslems' before I was born, I won't discuss issues with someone who makes so many stupid assumptions. Just because you can't see the real world, it doesn't morph itself into your idealistic image or what you want it to be.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    :toofunny: He has no idea.
    I think we can all agree on that
 
 
 
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