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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    Aw. Just tracking your IP Address, can't wait to see who'll have the better IQ!


    Cool story bro.
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    (Original post by Z-Zinan)
    Cool story bro.
    Don't refer to me as "bro". Bashing Islam, when you follow an belief system that stemmed from ridicule.
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    (Original post by Z-Zinan)
    Yes they do follow ISLAM down to the letter. AS these multiple verses show


    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

    Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'.

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

    Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
    Yes, thank you for merely copying and pasting a range of selected verses that you probably know very little about or even their context, in an futile attempt to avoid my question. Sorry, try again.

    Actually, I am going to build up on this. The first one doesn't prove anything but fighting in the way of God (thus in certain instances) is allowed. That doesn't support the terror like behaviour that has been seen today. This is the same for the next one as well.

    The third quote has nothing to do with terrorism and simply is saying that those who have rejected the truth (Kuffr, meaning to hide, so those who know what the truth is but still reject) will be facing punishment.

    All that you've proven from the 4 th verse is that you can't read and that you don't understand the trinity.

    It looks like I'm going to be here all day.

    It also transpires that you don't understand the meaning of Jihad. It refers to both spiritual struggle and fighting for the religion.
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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    Don't refer to me as "bro". Bashing Islam, when you follow an belief system that stemmed from ridicule.
    Sorry bro.

    You're too dumb to dialogue with Bro.

    Go on the grime society Bro, so you can play with the other "mandem"there







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    (Original post by Howard)
    Really? Who made you an authority on the Qu'ran and Islamic teaching? Are you an Islamic scholar? Written any books on the subject lately?

    Thought not.
    Is that all you've got?:congrats:
    I'm a Muslim who knows her own religion A LOT MORE than you YOU DO!!:rolleyes:
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    Yes, thank you for merely copying and pasting a range of selected verses that you probably know very little about or even their context, in an futile attempt to avoid my question. Sorry, try again.

    Actually, I am going to build up on this. The first one doesn't prove anything but fighting in the way of God (thus in certain instances) is allowed. That doesn't support the terror like behaviour that has been seen today. This is the same for the next one as well.

    The third quote has nothing to do with terrorism and simply is saying that those who have rejected the truth (Kuffr, meaning to hide, so those who know what the truth is but still reject) will be facing punishment.

    All that you've proven from the 4 th verse is that you can't read and that you don't understand the trinity.

    It looks like I'm going to be here all day.

    It also transpires that you don't understand the meaning of Jihad. It refers to both spiritual struggle and fighting for the religion.

    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

    Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

    Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


    Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

    Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


    Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

    Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."



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    (Original post by Z-Zinan)
    Sorry bro.

    You're too dumb to dialogue with Bro.

    Go on the grime society Bro, so you can play with the other "mandem"there







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    Is that all you've got?:congrats:
    I'm a Muslim who knows her own religion A LOT MORE than you YOU DO!!:rolleyes:


    No, no you don't


    Just saying this doesn't carry any weight .


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    Deuteronomy 22:22 ESV / 182 helpful votes “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.Luke 16:18“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

    They are without God."Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." -- 2 John 9They are all antichrists."For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." -- 2 John 7They should be shunned. Neither marry nor be friends with them."Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." -- 2 Cor.6:14-17They should be killed."If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10
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    (Original post by mil88)
    I've had this discussion before and am beginning to find this tedious now. But anyway, do you mind showing me this verse.

    So are you saying that these victim muslims weren't actually muslim and that they were infidels? On what basis are you making this assumption? So the ones that are contradicting the Quran are apparently Muslim... Good one.
    the current news speculation there is that the islamists were targetting chrisitans celebrating easter. however the suggestion that an islamst is no longer a muslim becuase he kills a muslims is apologist idiocy. apart from the fact shia and sunni muslims have been killing each other for 1400 years, and the thousands of muslims that were exterminated by the eventuall Caliphs after the riddah wars and fitnahs. dare i say it, mohammed also had muslims executed whenever they displeased him
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    Haha you Chinese youth. Loving the masquerade. Little screen warrior, surely we could settle this in person. Bro. Can't wait! LOVE CHRIST LOOOL


    Why shouldn't i just call you Oblivious instead?

    Cause clearly you're an idiot.
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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
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    From the bible..
    Well done for realizing that the Bible is filled with horrible passages that are completely incompatible with modern society...

    (Original post by FluffyCherry)
    Is that all you've got?:congrats:I'm a Muslim who knows her own religion A LOT MORE than you YOU DO!!:rolleyes:
    How much you know about your religion is kind of irrelevant. These terrorists simply are muslim. Denying they are does nothing but make out as though you refuse to acknowledge that members of your religion can vary in beliefs, personalities and goals.
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    (Original post by Z-Zinan)
    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

    Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

    Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


    Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

    Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


    Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

    Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."



    Keep it coming
    Yeah, you can keep it coming all you want, I'm not wasting my time with someone who cannot read a simple statement, understand it and then give a relevant reply. You remind me of a chef that throws lots of food at a wall, hoping that 1 will hopefully stick.
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    (Original post by FluffyCherry)
    Is that all you've got?:congrats:
    I'm a Muslim who knows her own religion A LOT MORE than you YOU DO!!:rolleyes:
    HAHAHA. Ignore him. His like the only contributor onto the thread. And a screen warrior too. His religion is ten times more illogical.
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    Deuteronomy 22:22 ESV / 182 helpful votes “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.Luke 16:18“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

    They are without God."Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." -- 2 John 9They are all antichrists."For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." -- 2 John 7They should be shunned. Neither marry nor be friends with them."Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." -- 2 Cor.6:14-17They should be killed."If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10





    Before you embarrass your stupid self like a retard, why don't you actually read the verse and realise that the ones I highlighted aren't even violent.
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    (Original post by Z-Zinan)
    Before you embarrass your stupid self like a retard, why don't you actually read the verse and realise that the ones I highlighted aren't even violent.
    Oooh, can't wait for that IP Address. Yeah because I copied a whole page on violence. Please, your *****y God said im going to hell anyways for being a non - christian.
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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    I got the wrong co-ordinates for it, google the passage online and it'll tell you its on the bible.
    Lmao man said co-ordinates :lol:
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    (Original post by mil88)
    Yeah, you can keep it coming all you want, I'm not wasting my time with someone who cannot read a simple statement, understand it and then give a relevant reply. You remind me of a chef that throws lots of food at a wall, hoping that 1 will hopefully stick.


    LOL, you got the wrong person mate.


    I have studied ALL your islamic literature, the hadiths, the tafsirs, the Qur'an and it's safe to say that the historical context behind those violent verses just paints Islam in a much much violent light.


    You want to deny the fact that during muhammed's early revelations he preached peaceful and tolerant surah's but as soon as he had control over mecca he was sent down Surah 9? The final major chapter in the Qur'an which also oddly enough happens to be the most violent?
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    Oooh, can't wait for that IP Address. Yeah because I copied a whole page on violence. Please, your *****y God said im going to hell anyways for being a non - christian.


    You need to find a brain first, before you can find my IP address.
 
 
 
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