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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    We're a rich nation but the people of our nation are not rich. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of UK citizens are living in borderline poverty and the government will continue to make cuts to public services. The money from the foreign aid budget could benefit the crumbling NHS, it could benefit the flooding damages from December 2015 that was believed to come to a total cost of nearly £5billion, etc.
    Every country has poor people in it, if this was a valid reason to not spend money on foreign aid then no country would be spending anything to help the poor. You have to understand that yes people are poor in this country but compare that to the suffering people must go through just to survive in certain countries around the world. We get a flood yes it is devastating and unfortunate but compare that to mass starvation of people in other countries, those people whose houses were destroyed in the UK will receive insurance and aid from the government, people in the poorest countries have nothing. If we dont do something no one will and im sorry that you cant see it but a lot of people around the world need that money a lot more than we do.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    And that's £12,000,000,000 that could be used to benefit the people of our own country whilst the government continues to make cuts to our own public services.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6942301.html
    So how about protesting against cuts to our public services (or protesting against the vast sums of money, substantially more than £12bn, being lost through tax evasion by the ultra-wealthy, or money going towards ludicrous 'defence' projects) rather than protesting against money going towards people in desperate need of aid?
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Signed.

    That money should be put to use helping Britons not outlanders. We can help them once we've cleaned up our own mess.
    Not if they havent been starved or killed before we bother to help.
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    That money is owed to the many Muslims in the world who have suffered at the hands of the U.K. I argue it should be higher
    Wrong. The Islamic world owes us for all the trouble it's caused us and all of our people that they've killed. Britain has done nothing wrong!
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    (Original post by plagioclase)
    so how about protesting against cuts to our public services (or protesting against the vast sums of money, substantially more than £12bn, being lost through tax evasion by the ultra-wealthy, or money going towards ludicrous 'defence' projects) rather than protesting against money going towards people in desperate need of aid?
    thank you.
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    (Original post by iEthan)
    Imagine a slice of cake with 0.7% of it missing… that's a LOT of cake still available to share. If 0.7% of our GDP was a problem, we'd know about it by now. I really think this is a non-issue and the fact this petition exists is pretty shameful. It's always someone else's fault… and there's always something to blame… foreign aid, however, is most certainly not why the cuts have been put forward and even if the gov't did reduce its spending, I'm sorry, but it wouldn't make any difference to the cuts. Remember… it's ZERO point seven percent.
    You don't have to be so patronising, we all know how much 0.7% is mate. I'm simply saying it is too high and could be reduced to have some it allocated to other issues within our own county. For example:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32812601

    "Almost a third of the UK population fell below the official poverty line at some point between 2010 and 2013, figures show."
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    If people wish to donate some of their hard earned money abroad then they are free to do so. I don't believe the government should be dictating that I have to donate it.
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    (Original post by Bernie2016)
    Not if they havent been starved or killed before we bother to help.
    And what about the homeless Britons who are sleeping on the streets and struggle just to get one meal per day? Do they not deserve aid? Besides, it's their government's duty to help them not ours.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    So how about protesting against cuts to our public services (or protesting against the vast sums of money, substantially more than £12bn, being lost through tax evasion by the ultra-wealthy, or money going towards ludicrous 'defence' projects) rather than protesting against money going towards people in desperate need of aid?
    Ah that old counter-argument which doesn't actually make any real point :rolleyes:

    How do you know they're not also protesting against all of those? Why does it need to be either that or this, why not both?
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Wrong. The Islamic world owes us for all the trouble it's caused us and all of our people that they've killed. Britain has done nothing wrong!
    Do you actually know the figures? As in, how much blood our country and the U.S. (and various others that have taken part) have on their hands due to the War on terror? Because I'll tell you something for nothing, it's a whole lot higher than what you're citing. Four MILLIONdeaths estimated to have been caused. 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan to name but a few, and they're just 'conservative figures'. Yet, "Britain has done nothing wrong."

    Source: PSR: http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdfCasualty Figures after 10 Years of the “War on Terror” — Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan — First international edition - Washington DC, Berlin, Ottawa - March 2015
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    (Original post by Reue)
    Ah that old counter-argument which doesn't actually make any real point :rolleyes:

    How do you know they're not also protesting against all of those? Why does it need to be either that or this, why not both?
    I don't know they're not protesting against all of those (although I can make a guess, given the kind of stuff they're saying). The point is that I think it's absurd to protest against a very small proportion of our GDP that genuinely goes towards a good cause when there are so many other sources of money loss that are a lot more malignant.
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    and spending three times the amount on military doesn´t even raise an eyebrow
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    That money is owed to the many Muslims in the world who have suffered at the hands of the U.K. I argue it should be higher
    What about the middle east basically ruining lives for Europeans and Africans, did they managed to pay back Spain for what they did? Have they apologize to the several African countries that they took people from?

    No, I guess you could also blame Britain for that as well.

    Also, don't lower Muslims to such things.
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    (Original post by m1m2)
    and spending three times the amount on military doesn´t even raise an eyebrow
    The spending on the security of our own nation is completely justified. In fact, I think we should allocate more of our GDP towards military spending.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    That is not a good basis on which to decide who gets what. The British taxpayer's money should be used to promote the interests of Britain and the British people. A government's first duty is to its people, not to some lofty notion of selflessly alleviating the misery of the world.
    ^^^^
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    Third world countries don't need foreign aid, they need free trade. If you really want to help them, buy the stuff they make.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    The spending on the security of our own nation is completely justified. In fact, I think we should allocate more of our GDP towards military spending.
    If you can spend money bombing in Syria, and have taken - and continue to take - part in the NATO Quint in the war of terror, which has cost millions of civilian lives, then you can spend money on foreign aid as well. I am not saying that the UK should not use money on their military - NATO requires them to use 2% of their GDP - but if they are willing to leave ruin and death in foreign countries, they should also be willing to make sure that they pay their share in rebuilding it. If 2,2% is too little in military budgets, 0,7% should also be too small an amount in foreign aid.
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    (Original post by m1m2)
    and spending three times the amount on military doesn´t even raise an eyebrow
    Military spending = Jobs, Science and generally Badassery


    Foreign aid = Wells, Cows and Nelson Mandela
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    You have to ask yourself would most of these countries demanding our foreign aid have been better if they stayed under British rule? There was good respectable public sector jobs and infrastructure there I mean look at the state of the majority of India which apart from the cities is terrible. The British would have ensured that there was some semblance of order in that society
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    (Original post by m1m2)
    If you can spend money bombing in Syria, and have taken - and continue to take - part in the NATO Quint in the war of terror, which has cost millions of civilian lives, then you can spend money on foreign aid as well. I am not saying that the UK should not use money on their military - NATO requires them to use 2% of their GDP - but if they are willing to leave ruin and death in foreign countries, they should also be willing to make sure that they pay their share in rebuilding it. If 2,2% is too little in military budgets, 0,7% should also be too small an amount in foreign aid.
    The 2% in military spending is practically foreign aid. We don't need to spend our money saving the Middle East from Islamist extremism, but we are.
 
 
 
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