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    Would cause alot of problems if we were to leave, plus you would need visas to go to places like vienna (where I'm off to later today!)
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    We should definately stay in it, leaving would be one of the most stupid things Britain's ever done if we do it.
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    (Original post by Ellie4)
    We should definately stay in it, leaving would be one of the most stupid things Britain's ever done if we do it.
    Exactly, besides no british politicians would be brave/foolish enough to leave.
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    Of course we should stay in. What would be the reasons for leaving?
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    (Original post by Kirki)
    Of course we should stay in. What would be the reasons for leaving?
    To be "independant" I guess, bloody UKIP.
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    (Original post by jumpunderaboat)
    Exactly, besides no british politicians would be brave/foolish enough to leave.
    Well let's hope so, though the way this country is going with UKIP and the like...
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    (Original post by Ellie4)
    Well let's hope so, though the way this country is going with UKIP and the like...
    Don't get me started with Kilroy and his former BNP buddys.
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    (Original post by jumpunderaboat)
    Don't get me started with Kilroy and his former BNP buddys.
    "former" BNP buddies?
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    (Original post by Kirki)
    Of course we should stay in. What would be the reasons for leaving?
    Apparantly we'll end up having a complete loss of sovereignity, and are heading in the direction of a united states of Europe type affair. It's basically a weak xenophobic argument of "I don't want to be European, I'm British" argument. Idiots don't think about the implication it would have on trade or real issues like that though.
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    people who votes no are geranlly blinded by tadionalism or nationalism and has no idea about the EU.
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    NO !!
    we need to leave.

    we are net contributors to the EU spending in excess of 1 billion pounds a year of tax payers money supporting other EU contries. we are also forced to pay the higher food prices as a result of the notoriously disadvantageous CAP, which subsedises a few inefficient farmers, whilst forcing millions to pay the higher prices.
    also the loss of soverignty could mean that soon we will loose our heritage in terms of both social traditions and economic policy.
    we may soon loose monetary control if we inevitably end up joing the euro, meaning we loose the ability to control money flow and the ability to adjust exchange rates. also many countries are at different stages of development, so the "one size fits all" policy is hopeless.
    and anyhow most of the time, we still feel like outsiders of the EU, as we have no real partners and our polict conflicts with many of the leading nations. look at the ban of british beef 1999, the french were not prepared to stand by us then, and they wont in the future/

    i say get out.
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    (Original post by endorf)
    NO !!
    we need to leave.

    we are net contributors to the EU spending in excess of 1 billion pounds a year of tax payers money supporting other EU contries. we are also forced to pay the higher food prices as a result of the notoriously disadvantageous CAP, which subsedises a few inefficient farmers, whilst forcing millions to pay the higher prices.
    also the loss of soverignty could mean that soon we will loose our heritage in terms of both social traditions and economic policy.
    we may soon loose monetary control if we inevitably end up joing the euro, meaning we loose the ability to control money flow and the ability to adjust exchange rates. also many countries are at different stages of development, so the "one size fits all" policy is hopeless.
    and anyhow most of the time, we still feel like outsiders of the EU, as we have no real partners and our polict conflicts with many of the leading nations. look at the ban of british beef 1999, the french were not prepared to stand by us then, and they wont in the future/

    i say get out.
    And relations are going to be so much better if we just pull out. We won't inevitably join the euro, our government doesn't want to, and there's nothing in the EU constitution that says we have to. Plus, what about the effect it'd have on our trade, if we were subject to the EU tarriffs?
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    (Original post by Ellie4)
    And relations are going to be so much better if we just pull out. We won't inevitably join the euro, our government doesn't want to, and there's nothing in the EU constitution that says we have to. Plus, what about the effect it'd have on our trade, if we were subject to the EU tarriffs?
    yes we will join the euro, increasing pressure from brussels will eventually force us to. we need to develop stronger trade links with the USA and Japan. and another thing the increasing enlargement of the EU just costs us more money as we are forced to pull ther GDP per capita up to the EU average and spend more money on the stupid CAP policy (one of the worst policies ever made). and the EU has been corrupt in the past aswell. also the free movement of labor means we will be inundated with unemployed workers from the eastern block countries.

    do you want this >?>

    i say lets go alone with the USA, we understand each other better.
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    If we were to leave, it would be 10 times worse than not joining in the first place and importing would be far more difficult and like it or not Britain isn't self-sufficient. Also being in the EU doesn't automatically enforce the Euro upon us.
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    (Original post by Ellie4)
    And relations are going to be so much better if we just pull out. We won't inevitably join the euro, our government doesn't want to, and there's nothing in the EU constitution that says we have to. Plus, what about the effect it'd have on our trade, if we were subject to the EU tarriffs?
    The UK plays such a major part in trading within the EU (possibly the most important) that were we to leave the EU politically we would still me able to negotiate a free trade agreement with the rest of the EU.
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    (Original post by endorf)
    i say lets go alone with the USA, we understand each other better.
    You assume that the USA would like to "go alone" with us, undoubtly they will have strong links with the EU themselves, they would be foolish not to.
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    (Original post by corey)
    The UK plays such a major part in trading within the EU (possibly the most important) that were we to leave the EU politically we would still me able to negotiate a free trade agreement with the rest of the EU.
    yes look at iceland, they still trade with the EU countries, even though they left the EU.
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    (Original post by jumpunderaboat)
    You assume that the USA would like to "go alone" with us, undoubtly they will have strong links with the EU themselves, they would be foolish not to.
    yes they do, but we at the moment 4/5 of trade is done with the EU, we could easily shift this trade to be with the USA. i know we are not self suficient but we specialise allowing us to reap the benefits of comparative advantage.

    anyhow, how do you thing countries such as slovenia will benefit us since they joined the EU. there horrendously low wage rates mean that production and unit costs are lower, makeing UK goods uncompetative anyway.
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    (Original post by endorf)
    yes we will join the euro, increasing pressure from brussels will eventually force us to. we need to develop stronger trade links with the USA and Japan. and another thing the increasing enlargement of the EU just costs us more money as we are forced to pull ther GDP per capita up to the EU average and spend more money on the stupid CAP policy (one of the worst policies ever made). and the EU has been corrupt in the past aswell. also the free movement of labor means we will be inundated with unemployed workers from the eastern block countries.

    do you want this >?>

    i say lets go alone with the USA, we understand each other better.
    no we dont "understand" with the USA better. people seems to want something for nothing. people keep on saying lets have stronger trade links with the USA, Japan etc...but what makes you think they'll see the same way??

    britain alone simply does not have the trade power or negotiation power of the EU, which we constantly use as a big stick to wave at other countries like usa, japand and china.

    just look at the US steel tariff row.
 
 
 
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