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    (Original post by Ellie4)
    Lol, you've taken many of those points out of context, not to mention the jumbled order. I don;t know what's going to happen in the EU in the future, hence why, if you read properly, most of those statements have the conditional in them, i.e. 'may'. You see, things that might happen, or might not. We are making sacrifices yes, we're not making that many sacrifices. It's all relative. You clearly haven't been reading what I've been saying properly. You'd make a great tabloid journalist vienna, but a world leader, I think not.
    ahh.

    its amazing how many people think i have designs on a cabinet position.
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    We should stay in while working towards reform of its institutions and stifling any socialist or federalist impulses within it.
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    For Britain's economics welfare, they must stay in the EU.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    For Britain's economics welfare, they must stay in the EU.
    most of the business sector disagrees, for one reason or another. can you explain why staying in the EU, but retaining the sterling would be imperative?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    most of the business sector disagrees, for one reason or another. can you explain why staying in the EU, but retaining the sterling would be imperative?
    No - that's false. Most of small businesses disgree, the City are in favour of the EU; and that's were the money is.

    Exiting the EU, whether the UK has the Euro or Pound as its currency, would have major economic consequences. Currency is a relativly minor issue, it's down more to personal choice, but packing up and leaving the EU will be disastrous.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    No - that's false. Most of small businesses disgree, the City are in favour of the EU; and that's were the money is.

    Exiting the EU, whether the UK has the Euro or Pound as its currency, would have major economic consequences. Currency is a relativly minor issue, it's down more to personal choice, but packing up and leaving the EU will be disastrous.
    i agree, as it stands british lobbying campaigns are leading players in the brussels political scene, and there interests are extremely well represented in the EU policy process.

    as a result britsh groups have secured EU legislation promoting their interests and have an incentive to put pressure on the british government to continue support for the process of EU integration. eg. the city of london urges british government to support further deregulation of financial services and the CBI whose members (large businesses) are export orientated, is a strong advocate for membership of the euro, on the grounds it would reduce transaction costs for its members.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    No - that's false. Most of small businesses disgree, the City are in favour of the EU; and that's were the money is.
    hmm..the EU but not the Euro?

    Exiting the EU, whether the UK has the Euro or Pound as its currency, would have major economic consequences. Currency is a relativly minor issue, it's down more to personal choice, but packing up and leaving the EU will be disastrous.
    but youre not telling me why....
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    Ok, I'll deal with as many of the arguments put forward by pro-EU posters one by one. Firstly:

    "BazTheMoney For Britain's economics welfare, they must stay in the EU." How good is it for our economic welfare that we pay £33 million a day membership fee, do you not think this could be better spent on other areas such as health and education which would really help improve our competitiveness and economic prospects? Moreover, the fact that we pay enormously high grocery prices due to the CAP is damaging to all our wallets on a daily basis, and illustrates systematic EU failure over many decades. If the EU is good for the economy, why is it those countries who have handed over their economic policies to the EU have double the unemployment and half the growth as the UK?

    "We should definately stay in it, leaving would be one of the most stupid things Britain's ever done if we do it." I notice you haven't actually made any arguments as to why!

    "Don't get me started with Kilroy and his former BNP buddys." If you bother to actually study UKIP at all you will see that UKIP are a fully democratic, non-racist party who actually put forward black and asian candidates. If UKIP actually supported the BNP why form a separate party? Your argument defies any logic. If you do research you will find Kilroy used to be a Labour MP, not BNP!!!! The only people who suggest a UKIP/ BNP link are those who wish to suppress the legitimate concerns and views of UKIP and stop our amazing rise in British politics.

    "Apparantly we'll end up having a complete loss of sovereignity, and are heading in the direction of a united states of Europe type affair. It's basically a weak xenophobic argument of "I don't want to be European, I'm British" argument. Idiots don't think about the implication it would have on trade or real issues like that though." You clearly have no understanding of the EU. We have sacrificed sovereignty already in many areas, environment, asylum, health, education, home affairs, justice, etc etc etc the list goes on. Under the EU constitution we will have to sacrifice our veto rights in a further 43 areas. If that isn't a loss of sovereignty please tell me what is!!!! Furthermore, your xenophobic argument is unfounded. What is xenophobic about wanting your country to be run by politicians from your own nation, who have a natural affinity to it and understand its history and characteristics. I like european people a lot, but I would prefer it if they didn't govern Britain thats all! Have you ever considered that the EU itself is a racist organisation? They won't let Turkey in because of its alleged "human rights" record, yet they ignored France's record in Algeria and the campaign by a German party of "children not indians", major double standards.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    hmm..the EU but not the Euro?
    I thought buisness was generally infavour of the euro, that is what people that they asked on newsnight a while back seem to be saying anyway
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    Of course we should stay in the EU! Not only that but we should be totally integrated in all aspects from regulations to currency. It is the best thing since sliced bread for this country.

    The Tories fought long and hard for us to gain entry, despite General De Gaulle's determination to keep us out! It was only when he died that we got in - why should we now leave when we have so much to gain?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    but youre not telling me why....
    If the UK leaves the EU it's predicted that there will be a permanent lose of £23billion per year, at present it costs Britain £7bn (15bn-8bn), that's a net lose of £16bn per year.

    Economics growth will decline, some suggest by as much as 2.5%; I suspect it would be closer to 1.5-2%, though still substantial.

    About 3 million jobs are linked to exporting good and services to Europe, about 750,000 will be lost though leaving.

    British businesses would have to obey EU regulations, all trading advantages of EU member would be lost - and there are many. Also tariffs would come into play.

    More voaitile economics cycle; bigger booms and busts in short. This may leads to a lose in confidence and inflationary pressure.

    I can't be bothered to list anymore.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    If the UK leaves the EU it's predicted that there will be a permanent lose of £23billion per year, at present it costs Britain £7bn (15bn-8bn), that's a net lose of £16bn per year.

    Economics growth will decline, some suggest by as much as 2.5%; I suspect it would be closer to 1.5-2%, though still substantial.

    About 3 million jobs are linked to exporting good and services to Europe, about 750,000 will be lost though leaving.

    British businesses would have to obey EU regulations, all trading advantages of EU member would be lost - and there are many. Also tariffs would come into play.

    More voaitile economics cycle; bigger booms and busts in short. This may leads to a lose in confidence and inflationary pressure.

    I can't be bothered to list anymore.
    Now that we are going to be given the opportunity to be educated on the pros and cons of full integration, we should be able to make an informed judgement before committing to deciding which way to vote.

    We must know what we are voting for before putting our crosses in boxes. There is so much misinformation abounding at the moment that it only makes sense to postpone the referendum until we can make that informed judgement.
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    Yes, we should leave.
    British money for British people. If we withdraw we shall abolish the CET may then import VERY cheap goods from the Far East etc with European penpushing red tape.
    And if the Nation strippers get there way can you imagine the damage the Euro will do to the economy. And those who say 3million jobs depend upon Europe, they 'forget' to mention that ANY transaction ever taking place in EUROPE not the EU. they also 'forget' that it is cheaper for companies to purchase good outside the EU, providing the CET is removed, the only being withdrawl from the EU, growth rather than decline would be a result as it is cheaper to set up your enterprise.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    If the UK leaves the EU it's predicted that there will be a permanent lose of £23billion per year, at present it costs Britain £7bn (15bn-8bn), that's a net lose of £16bn per year.

    Economics growth will decline, some suggest by as much as 2.5%; I suspect it would be closer to 1.5-2%, though still substantial.

    About 3 million jobs are linked to exporting good and services to Europe, about 750,000 will be lost though leaving.

    British businesses would have to obey EU regulations, all trading advantages of EU member would be lost - and there are many. Also tariffs would come into play.

    More voaitile economics cycle; bigger booms and busts in short. This may leads to a lose in confidence and inflationary pressure.

    I can't be bothered to list anymore.

    "It's predicted" - I like that vague use of the passive...

    According to a Civitas (respectable, right-wing think tank) cost-benefit analysis, Britain could be up to £20bn a year better off outside the EU:

    Link: http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/EUCosts_Factsheet.pdf
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I thought buisness was generally infavour of the euro, that is what people that they asked on newsnight a while back seem to be saying anyway
    about 30% of British business would support a timetabled entry into the Euro at the current time.
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    (Original post by -mb-)
    "It's predicted" - I like that vague use of the passive...

    According to a Civitas (respectable, right-wing think tank) cost-benefit analysis, Britain could be up to £20bn a year better off outside the EU:

    Link: http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/EUCosts_Factsheet.pdf
    Good point. Predicted by whom exactly? A pro-union think tank perhaps?
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    (Original post by yawn1)
    Of course we should stay in the EU! Not only that but we should be totally integrated in all aspects from regulations to currency. It is the best thing since sliced bread for this country.
    indeed, sliced bread under an EU regulation on slice thickness.

    The Tories fought long and hard for us to gain entry, despite General De Gaulle's determination to keep us out! It was only when he died that we got in - why should we now leave when we have so much to gain?
    gained entry under the pretense of a free market, not a socialist superstate.
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    (Original post by -mb-)
    "It's predicted" - I like that vague use of the passive...

    According to a Civitas (respectable, right-wing think tank) cost-benefit analysis, Britain could be up to £20bn a year better off outside the EU:

    Link: http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/EUCosts_Factsheet.pdf
    Yes, last time I looked Economics wasn't a science, thus it's impossible to prove something. And consider the UK is still in the EU, there's no data to prove the amount which will be lost though exiting the European Union anyway. And I consider the National Institute of Economic and Social Research a more reliable source than a think tank which clear has a political position to defend.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    about 30% of British business would support a timetabled entry into the Euro at the current time.
    and where did you get this statistic from exactly >? did you calculate it yourself. please reveal your source.
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    (Original post by endorf)
    and where did you get this statistic from exactly >? did you calculate it yourself. please reveal your source.
    oh, youre back in the argument now then?

    http://www.no-euro.com/mediacentre/p...ases.asp?a=255
 
 
 
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