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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    You ignored the parts of my reply that you had no reply to. The part that challenged you to provide evidence rather than rely on personal conjecture.
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    Lol.
    It is a bit rich when someone who wrote this:

    I absolutely guarantee you I have contributed more to society than you (a non-muslim) have and I most likely will do in the future as well (current 1st year med student).

    accuses me of conjecture.
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    Everyone has the responsibility to address radicalism, not just the people that follow Islam.
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    Probably.
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    No they don't. We all have the responsibility to confront radicals if we happen to come across them but I don't see why Muslims should go out of their way to do so if they have nothing to do with these radicals.

    I would say that many among the US Republican Party are pretty radical. That doesn't mean that Christians have the responsibility to "address" them.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I would say that many among the US Republican Party are pretty radical. That doesn't mean that Christians have the responsibility to "address" them.
    Sure;y, though, if the Republicans generally want to do well, it is incumbent on their members to mitigate the damage the lunatics are doing. The general public doesn't care or find it funny, and the Democrats welcome the damage being done. so nobody else will step in on the Republicans' behalf.

    The same applies to Islam.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Sure;y, though, if the Republicans generally want to do well, it is incumbent on their members to mitigate the damage the lunatics are doing. The general public doesn't care or find it funny, and the Democrats welcome the damage being done. so nobody else will step in on the Republicans' behalf.

    The same applies to Islam.
    The Republicans are one political Party in one country so comparing it to a religion that is present nearly everywhere in the world and has dozens of sects and multiple schools of thought is hardly an accurate comparison. Moreover radicals within the Republican Party often use Christianity to justify their views, so a better comparison to this would be holding Christians responsible for failing to address their actions.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Sure;y, though, if the Republicans generally want to do well, it is incumbent on their members to mitigate the damage the lunatics are doing. The general public doesn't care or find it funny, and the Democrats welcome the damage being done. so nobody else will step in on the Republicans' behalf.

    The same applies to Islam.
    Poor analogy.

    A better one would be that Muslims are republicans, and extremist groups like ISIS is Donald Trump.

    Fundamentally different policies, hates the republicans as much as the democrats, does very controversial things with widespread republican and democrat condemnation - all of which give him attention and make him stronger, and incites violence among his supporters
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    The Republicans are one political Party in one country so comparing it to a religion that is present nearly everywhere in the world and has dozens of sects and multiple schools of thought is hardly an accurate comparison.
    It was you who chose to use the Republicans in your argument. i was merely following your own analogy to show that Moslems have a responsibility to combat radicalism in their religion.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    It is a bit rich when someone who wrote this:

    I absolutely guarantee you I have contributed more to society than you (a non-muslim) have and I most likely will do in the future as well (current 1st year med student).

    accuses me of conjecture.
    Nah, I just know that I have done a lot and more than you. I can't say what I've done as it'll lead to a google search and my identity in 5 seconds

    You have yet to show me a verse that supports your idea that salafism doesn't fit in with the West and causes harm to it.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    It was you who chose to use the Republicans in your argument. i was merely following your own analogy to show that Moslems have a responsibility to combat radicalism in their religion.
    Yes but the comparison that I made was not the same.
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    Yes! Its the radicalisation happening in Muslim communities that needs to be addressed. The state can't address it so the Muslim leaders in those communities need to start promoting a more Western way of life and say no to extremist beliefs that paint the world as the West v Islam.
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    Almost every muslim wants to pass the buck here. We never asked them to come here, we allowed it from the goodness of our hearts, they brought their problems from the middle-east and now they just...

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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    What enlloes literal interpretation mean? This is what's wrong with unknowledgeable muslims and critics of Islam. Criticise the religion all you want intrinsically but stop comparing Islam to Christianity where "everyone's interpretations count" and "anyone can interpret God's words". We just don't have that in Islam. Muhammad (peace and prayers upon him) prevented this from happening.

    He said anyone that introduces something to Islam that we have not introduced (interpretations/actions/beliefs) then it is rejected. He also said that every newly invented matter is a misguidance and all that misguides leads to the fire. There are several more narrations like this that noone disputes. This is a fundamental concept of our religion. A law from within (this is why I mentioned intrinsice above).

    So which interpretations count?

    Muhammed said to hold to HIS interpretation and of his four closest companions especially. He said that his generation is the best (his companions) and then he said it is the next three generations after him. All interpretations are to be taken from his generation and the next three for any Quranic verse and hadith. He also said that Islamic rulings are clear and we should stay away from any grey areas. (Again, these are all authentic sayings of his that noone disputes).

    Now if I'm a salafi who ain't apologetic about his religion (unlike the majority of muslims) and I follow all the islamic rules rather than pick and choose (which is what most muslims do) . . . How on Earth am I not integrating with the West? I absolutely guarantee you I have contributed more to society than you (a non-muslim) have and I most likely will do in the future as well (current 1st year med student).

    TLDR: Find me one quote from the Quran which says or implies "YOU MUSLIMS BEST NOT INTEGRATE WITH THOSE DASTARDLY NON MUSLIMS IN THE WEST. OH AND BTW MAKE SURE YOU BLOW THEM ALL UP AS WELL AS YOURSELVES"
    There's 109 of those in the Qu'ran alone, not to mention the horrible teachings in the Hadith.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdA22lRETqk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Abj48weoc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl641IFO10g
    Mosab Hassan Yousee really is the greatest man alive IMO.
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    Perhaps if the Muslim community addressed issues like this we might be a little more open to accepting them

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/islamic-tar...actice-1552549
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    and of course things like this happen in complete isolation

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35944661
    Man guilty of planning US airmen attack
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    and of course things like this happen in complete isolation

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35944661
    Man guilty of planning US airmen attack
    What about the hundreds upon hundreds of mass shootings done by white people in the US?

    Those happen at much greater frequency than Muslim terrorists planning attacks on westerners.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    What about the hundreds upon hundreds of mass shootings done by white people in the US?

    Those happen at much greater frequency than Muslim terrorists planning attacks on westerners.
    What does that have to do with the UK?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    What does that have to do with the UK?
    You were the one who brought up the US by mentioning a Muslim planning to attack a US airbase. Ask yourself what that has to do with the UK.
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    Yes. The Muslim version of the pope should update the Koran as a 2nd edition, fit for 21st century life. It is clearly outdate philosophy.


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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You were the one who brought up the US by mentioning a Muslim planning to attack a US airbase. Ask yourself what that has to do with the UK.
    AS I said frank it would help if you actually read my posts

    But as it seems you need spoon feeding

    'A delivery driver from Luton has been convicted of plotting to kill a US airman outside a base in East Anglia.'

    I also note you ignored the one about the school teaching Muslim children to hate my culture.
 
 
 
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