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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    Lol, let's all learn Chinese and go study in China because some are ranked above our uni.. Much logic.

    Getting into Tsinghua or Peking is no joke, they're like the Oxbridge of China.

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    Why isn't that good logic? If they are as good as you say they then why wouldn't one want to learn Chinese to get accepted on to a program at Peking etc?? It's not much different for me who had to learn English to study in England. I guess people here need to open their eyes and minds a bit and consider other cultures.
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    (Original post by Newcastle456)
    Both to be honest, Manchester would probably be the next alternative you consider in the field again.

    Once you come out of that and go for general jobs as opposed to academia , SOAS, Manchester and Sussex don't have much going for them vs Oxbridge/LSE. Although PhDs from any of above gives you a fair chance to go be an academic.

    The American ivy students are quite good - Brown, Penn, UChicago/Yale. However, I definitely wouldn't say better, marks thus far would corroborate this, but I'm not a fan of seeing education as marks/exams.

    As for the ones who made it on from public American universities/less well known. My own personal thoughts are some are pretty poor in terms of natural intelligence. Whether they can write a good essay, no idea. However, in everyday chats and conceptual understanding, piss poor.

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    Did you do your undergrad at Warwick? Thats amazinggg!!
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    (Original post by Scruffyjoe)
    I suppose I could have been much clearer about what I was tying to say. I'm sure Chinese universities are great. I simply meant that it would have been cheaper for me to go to a Chinese university had I known that it was ranked higher than my university. And before everyone takes their calculators out and run after me with the digits let me clarify. China offers almost 100percent scholarships for people from my country. One of my friends is doing postgrad at Tshingua and she has received 110% financial aid (yes 110%!)
    So I do feel that I could have saved my parents some money by going to a Chinese uni which also ranks batter than Manchester.
    Fudan, Peking, all good institutes.

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    (Original post by Scruffyjoe)
    Did you do your undergrad at Warwick? Thats amazinggg!!
    Would you say that had I gone to SoAs it wouldn't have been much different than going to Manchester (I.e. Teaching quality, reputation, job prospects?)
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    Overrated- Oxbridge, St Andrews, UCL,Exeter and Bristol

    Underrated- Sussex, Southampton, Nottingham,Warwick and UEA.
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    (Original post by Scruffyjoe)
    Would you say that had I gone to SoAs it wouldn't have been much different than going to Manchester (I.e. Teaching quality, reputation, job prospects?)
    Genuinely yes. For postgraduate study, if you do well at either I. E. First, can have a fair chance at Oxbridge master's.

    My own personal experience is outside the big 6: Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, Warwick and Imperial, there is no notable difference on graduate labour market. This can be further segmented where Oxbridge and to some extent LSE does open doors that the other universities don't, there are many boutiques that recruit about 70% from Oxbridge.

    I think experience, subject you study, etc actually matter far more outside the above universities.

    E.g. Durham Econ, Nottingham Econ, SOAS Law etc. Bristol Maths, these subjects will always be competitive in labour market.


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    Genuinely yes. For postgraduate study, if you do well at either I. E. First, can have a fair chance at Oxbridge master's.

    My own personal experience is outside the big 6: Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, Warwick and Imperial, there is no notable difference on graduate labour market. This can be further segmented where Oxbridge and to some extent LSE does open doors that the other universities don't, there are many boutiques that recruit about 70% from Oxbridge.

    I think experience, subject you study, etc actually matter far more outside the above universities.

    E.g. Durham Econ, Nottingham Econ, SOAS Law etc. Bristol Maths, these subjects will always be competitive in labour market.


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    Thank you for explaining that. I guess what's done is done. I obviously cannot undo my undergrad now. You mention that soas law is competitive. I guess that's what I was talking about Initially as well that I wish I had done law from soas instead of Manchester. It fares well.
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    Overrated: UCL

    Underrated: Essex, Birkbeck.
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    (Original post by Scruffyjoe)
    Thank you for explaining that. I guess what's done is done. I obviously cannot undo my undergrad now. You mention that soas law is competitive. I guess that's what I was talking about Initially as well that I wish I had done law from soas instead of Manchester. It fares well.
    A Manchester law degree is as good. There are hundreds of law firms in the UK, if you have a LLB, you have massive advantage.

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    (Original post by Scruffyjoe)
    Thank you for explaining that. I guess what's done is done. I obviously cannot undo my undergrad now. You mention that soas law is competitive. I guess that's what I was talking about Initially as well that I wish I had done law from soas instead of Manchester. It fares well.
    League tables are always biased towards the west.

    Lookng at facts such as this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ast-exams.html

    the standards in the unis in the east must be of a higher standard but because the UK media constantly focuses on the UK and US unis, you don't get a balanced view.
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    (Original post by Newcastle456)
    Genuinely yes. For postgraduate study, if you do well at either I. E. First, can have a fair chance at Oxbridge master's.

    My own personal experience is outside the big 6: Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, Warwick and Imperial, there is no notable difference on graduate labour market. This can be further segmented where Oxbridge and to some extent LSE does open doors that the other universities don't, there are many boutiques that recruit about 70% from Oxbridge.

    I think experience, subject you study, etc actually matter far more outside the above universities.

    E.g. Durham Econ, Nottingham Econ, SOAS Law etc. Bristol Maths, these subjects will always be competitive in labour market.


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    The fact that people always refer to the IB market as representative of the whole graduate market baffles me.

    Warwick, and possibly UCL, are in the top six for IB, yes. They are not in the top six for every subject or graduate market. Warwick, in particular, is barely top ten outside maths, econ and so on.

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    The fact that people always refer to the IB market as representative of the whole graduate market baffles me.

    Warwick, and possibly UCL, are in the top six for IB, yes. They are not in the top six for every subject or graduate market. Warwick, in particular, is barely top ten outside maths, econ and so on.

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    What are you talking about?

    WBS is one of the top business schools in Europe, Maths, Econ, Pol, History, Film, History of Art, English.

    That's already majority of UGS done.

    Outside of IB, Law and Strategy Consulting, there are very few sectors where university rep matters.


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    (Original post by Newcastle456)
    What are you talking about?

    WBS is one of the top business schools in Europe, Maths, Econ, Pol, History, Film, History of Art, English.

    That's already majority of UGS done.

    Outside of IB, Law and Strategy Consulting, there are very few sectors where university rep matters.


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    Maths, Economics, Politics, History, Film, History of Art and English at the Warwick Business School.

    Okay pal, got the message :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Maths, Economics, Politics, History, Film, History of Art and English at the Warwick Business School.

    Okay pal, got the message :rolleyes:
    There was a comma, at no point did I say they were at the business school. The least you can do is read the post properly before replying.

    Anyway, with all due respect, I am sure you think you are a big dog and god bless you. However, at end of day, what you think is irrelevant. Tables, rankings, ref, anyone can go check. The data is all available. Whether you like it or refuse to believe it, Warwick is in top 7 of all domestic overall rankings and ~ top 90 in all world. In fact, it's never been outside top 10, to argue it's not a top 10 UK university is just ludicrous.

    As an alumnus of the Economics faculty, I have no reason to stand up for other departments, but all arguments need to be based on reality.

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    (Original post by Newcastle456)
    There was a comma, at no point did I say they were at the business school. The least you can do is read the post properly before replying.

    Anyway, with all due respect, I am sure you think you are a big dog and god bless you. However, at end of day, what you think is irrelevant. Tables, rankings, ref, anyone can go check. The data is all available. Whether you like it or refuse to believe it, Warwick is in top 7 of all domestic overall rankings and top 90 in all world.

    As an alumnus of the Economics faculty, I have no reason to stand up for other departments, but all arguments need to be based on reality.

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    I think I'm a big dog? Hahaha...

    Outside its Maths/Econ and a few other courses, Warwick is not in the top 6 - that's for sure. No matter how hard Warwick students try to sell themselves.

    The very fact that you rely on tables as a measure of reputation just shows your own limited knowledge knowledge. Surrey was, the other year, higher than Imperial for Maths, so it MUST be true, eh?

    For IB? Yes, Warwick is pretty good. For consulting? Good too, but to a much lesser extent. Oxbridge dominate here, followed by LSE. For law, it's no better than Exeter, to give an example.

    Please.
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    I think I'm a big dog? Hahaha...

    Outside its Maths/Econ and a few other courses, Warwick is not in the top 6 - that's for sure. No matter how hard Warwick students try to sell themselves.

    The very fact that you rely on tables as a measure of reputation just shows your own limited knowledge knowledge. Surrey was, the other year, higher than Imperial for Maths, so it MUST be true, eh?

    For IB? Yes, Warwick is pretty good. For consulting? Good too, but to a much lesser extent. Oxbridge dominate here, followed by LSE. For law, it's no better than Exeter, to give an example.

    Please.
    Lol, ok: http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities

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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    I think I'm a big dog? Hahaha...

    Outside its Maths/Econ and a few other courses, Warwick is not in the top 6 - that's for sure. No matter how hard Warwick students try to sell themselves.

    The very fact that you rely on tables as a measure of reputation just shows your own limited knowledge knowledge. Surrey was, the other year, higher than Imperial for Maths, so it MUST be true, eh?

    For IB? Yes, Warwick is pretty good. For consulting? Good too, but to a much lesser extent. Oxbridge dominate here, followed by LSE. For law, it's no better than Exeter, to give an example.

    Please.
    There's a difference between relying and recognising for 50 years the university has never been outside the top 10 on any domestic overall ranking.

    Also for clarification, I'm a Warwick alum and a Cambridge student. Not a Warwick student.

    Having worked in 8 different sectors, fair to say I have a decent idea about what I'm talking about.

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    Yes, because that is a definitive guide of reputation.Turns out it's even better than UCL and LSE
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    (Original post by Newcastle456)
    There's a difference between relying and recognising for 50 years the university has never been outside the top 10 on any domestic overall ranking.

    Also for clarification, I'm a Warwick alum and a Cambridge student. Not a Warwick student.

    Having worked in 8 different sectors, fair to say I have a decent idea about what I'm talking about.

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    I asked you a question: Surrey was above Imperial here. Do you think Surrey is a better uni than Imperial?

    Being an alumnus (alum is a chemical compound) means that you studied there. It changes nothing in terms of needing to improve your university's image.

    And I am sure you do - as is evident from your reliance on domestic tables.
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Yes, because that is a definitive guide of reputation.Turns out it's even better than UCL and LSE
    It's a pretty good guide, and in my opinion an accurate representation..

    From speaking to a fair number of recruiters in the London legal sector, this is how they 'bucketed' out universities for representation and where they recruit/receive most applications from - not in order:

    Bucket 1
    - Cambridge
    - Oxford

    Bucket 2
    - Bristol
    - Durham
    - LSE
    - KCL
    - Manchester (possibly)
    - Nottingham
    - UCL
    - Warwick

    Bucket 3
    - Birmingham
    - Exeter
    - Leeds
    - Sheffield
    - QMUL
    - etc.

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