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    Was it the USA or USSR and Cuba?

    Politically? Militarily?

    Any interesting side-notes?
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    Kennedy: stood up to USSR and made them back down so his prestige in the West increased
    Khrushchev: guaranteed safety of Communist Cuba and was portrayed as a peacemaker, the missiles in Turkey were removed and he also gained a Communist ally next to the USA

    So it depends which you deem to be more successful tbh
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    To the world it looked like kennedy won because the missles on cuba were removed BUT
    kennedy sent 2 letters to khrushchev but khrushchev ignored the second letter and replied to the first one this makes him the real winner as he got the missles on turkey removed and cuba became another soviet satellite state
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    also with the support of ussr cuba managed to sustain a 90,000-100,000 army and lots of military equipment until the collapse of the soviet union in 1991
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    What about if the US actually invaded Cuba? What then
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    Cuba already had nukes...
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    remember in history its all about personal opinion if you have a point and you have proof/evidence its a valid point
    none of the 2 sides lost anything but i think Khrushchev won as he basically bullied USA with missiles on Cuba then ignoring Kennedy's second letter and he replied saying the USSR will remove the missiles on Cuba immediately but USA can remove the missiles on turkey gradually over a 3month period.
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    (Original post by neb789)
    What about if the US actually invaded Cuba? What then
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    The countries that had nukes used them as a nuclear deterrent because they realised the world could come to an end if a nuclear war was to happen. Once they realised this they decided it was better to cooperate with each other (eg they cooperated in space) so they setup a washington~moscow hotline so these issues would never happen again. Also remember the nuclear weapons both sides had weren't atomic bombs that were used in Japan they were hydrogen bombs which were 1000x more powerful then atomic bombs.
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    (Original post by YungRilt)
    The countries that had nukes used them as a nuclear deterrent because they realised the world could come to an end if a nuclear war was to happen. Once they realised this they decided it was better to cooperate with each other (eg they cooperated in space) so they setup a washington~moscow hotline so these issues would never happen again. Also remember the nuclear weapons both sides had weren't atomic bombs that were used in Japan they were hydrogen bombs which were 1000x more powerful then atomic bombs.
    A great point though I meant a US ground invasion? Would the Cuban's have used their smaller USSR supplied nukes to stop them?
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    (Original post by neb789)
    A great point though i meant a US ground invasion? Would the cubans have used their smaller USSR supplied nukes to stop them?
    Definitely the missiles on Cuba covered most of the USA so if there was an attack all of USA would be destroyed and Cuba would have been taken over by american troops. The Americans even created a blockade with ships around Cuba so the soviets couldn't supply anymore nukes and once this was reported back to Moscow Khrushchev ordered his submarines carrying nukes to turn back. But the fact was BOTH sides didn't want a nuclear war, there are old documents of the soviets showing they wanted to be peaceful but the Americans were being aggressive because they didn't like communism.
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    I don’t think the US could have afforded a ground invasion close to its border. The spill over wouldhave been catastrophic for the US. This is the reason why the Soviet Union pressured them until the last moment.

    One major principle of warfare is to reduce local impact. So, the US would have threatened and hesitated until there was no going back (just like in Japan). Besides, it would have been a war between US and Cuba rather than US and the Soviet Union, which was in the SU’s interest (far away from them).
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I don’t think the US could have afforded a ground invasion close to its border. The spill over wouldhave been catastrophic for the US. This is the reason why the Soviet Union pressured them until the last moment.

    One major principle of warfare is to reduce local impact. So, the US would have threatened and hesitated until there was no going back (just like in Japan). Besides, it would have been a war between US and Cuba rather than US and the Soviet Union, which was in the SU’s interest (far away from them).
    Soviets took themselves out of the line of fire and put Cuba in to get rid of the Turkish missiles even if there was a nuke war american and Cuba would be destroyed leaving Communism to rule the world
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    (Original post by YungRilt)
    Soviets took themselves out of the line of fire and put Cuba in to get rid of the Turkish missiles even if there was a nuke war american and Cuba would be destroyed leaving Communism to rule the world
    That was the clever play from the Soviets. The US played into their hands for the most part. Technically, one can argue that the Soviets won that standoff, but the US won in the end by destroying the Soviet Union and reducing it to smaller factions.
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    the USSR - because the only thing that really happened that differed from the previous situation was that the US withdrew their turkish MRBMs which was near the USSR border. the US already tried to invade cuba (albeit not with their full force) and failed so it wasn't really as if the US was in an advantageous position when they were negotiating with the USSR - while they promised not to invade cuba after the crisis, they probably wouldn't and couldn't do that anyway, and they lost their turkish nuclear advantage
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    That was the clever play from the Soviets. The US played into their hands for the most part. Technically, one can argue that the Soviets won that standoff, but the US won in the end by destroying the Soviet Union and reducing it to smaller factions.
    Looking at Russian leadership would you say the USSR ever died?
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    (Original post by neb789)
    Looking at Russian leadership would you say the USSR ever died?
    I am on the fence with Russia. I think that the power and influence of the USSR was probably ten times that of modern-day Russia. The breakdown of the Union greatly weakened what we know today as Russia with the surrounding countries.

    On the other hand, I agree that one can argue that the USSR never really completely collapsed and Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. I think that if the USSR survived until this day, it will undoubtedly become the most powerful nation on earth with the US coming in second and China coming in third.
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    Cuba also won cos they nationalised all the existing american companies there.

    See girls, im smart, drop yo snapchats
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    what a joker
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    (Original post by neb789)
    Was it the USA or USSR and Cuba?

    Politically? Militarily?

    Any interesting side-notes?
    Politically - USA as it was a huge propaganda victory and made Kennedy look like the hero whilst Khrushchev was the evil agressor. It wasn't known to the public that the US withdrew nuclear weapons from Turkey so it looked like the US didn't have to compromise anything which made the US look strong and the USSR weak.

    Strategically - USSR as Khrushchev highlighted how vulnerable the US was by having a communist state so close to it's own territory.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I am on the fence with Russia. I think that the power and influence of the USSR was probably ten times that of modern-day Russia. The breakdown of the Union greatly weakened what we know today as Russia with the surrounding countries.

    On the other hand, I agree that one can argue that the USSR never really completely collapsed and Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. I think that if the USSR survived until this day, it will undoubtedly become the most powerful nation on earth with the US coming in second and China coming in third.
    What do we know of Russia today? Its making allies of everyone the west opposes and its fighting a proxy war in Ukraine? Is that not power?
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    (Original post by AxSirlotl)
    Politically - USA as it was a huge propaganda victory and made Kennedy look like the hero whilst Khrushchev was the evil aggressor. It wasn't known to the public that the US withdrew nuclear weapons from Turkey so it looked like the US didn't have to compromise anything which made the US look strong and the USSR weak.

    Strategically - USSR as Khrushchev highlighted how vulnerable the US was by having a communist state so close to it's own territory.
    Great points - what about Cuba though?
 
 
 
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