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    "After Asad Shah's 'religiously prejudiced' death, we know inter-Muslim hatred is a problem in Britain”

    ”Muslims aren't alone in facing problems with sectarianism, but people who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others deserve neither"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6955146.html

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    By all accounts, the death of shopkeeper Asad Shah on Thursday night in Glasgow was alleged to be related to his background. It shocked the local community and a tribute event on Friday was attended by hundreds of people, including Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. But, astonishingly, it is now suspected that Shah was killed by another Muslim man because he was an Ahmadi Muslim. It is the first high-profile anti-Ahmadi incident on British soil, and it has already sent ripples of shock throughout the small community.

    Ahmadis are an Islamic sect, founded in modern day Pakistan in 1889. There’s no definitive number of Ahmadi Muslims: estimates range between two million to “tens of millions”, and though they are spread across the world, they are predominately based in Pakistan. Ahmadis are also considered heretics by many Sunni Muslims, and are viciouslypersecuted in their homeland. Pakistan treats Ahmadis no better than Apartheid South Africa treated black people; that is, with complete contempt.

    It’s shocking, but not entirely surprising, that the persecution Ahmadis face in Pakistan has travelled over here. Several British Ahmadis I spoke to say they have known of someone who had been threatened or attacked for being an Ahmadi here in Britain. One anti-Ahmadi group with offices in London organises conferences that spread hate-speech against them; a popular Facebook group sent out a message of “congratulations” on news of Shah’s death.

    The persecution of British Ahmadis by other Muslims has become worryingly normalised, yet has remained largely unspoken. In recent weeks, several British imams in Glasgow and Bradford openly praised Mumtaz Qadri, who murdered a Pakistani governor for campaigning against the country’s vicious blasphemy laws (used primarily topersecute and even kill religious minorities including Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Ahmadis in Pakistan).

    These are not isolated incidents. Last month a group of Muslims in Scunthorpe protested against an Ahmadi mosque being built, and there have been reports of similar incidents elsewhere around the country. In 2010, The Independent reported of hard line Muslims in west London calling for Ahmadis to be killed. In Tooting, mainstream Sunni preachers were found to have urged follower to boycotts Ahmadi businesses.

    What’s frustrating for many British Ahmadis is that authorities are only just beginning to take their persecution seriously. Until now, it has been written off as an “internal Muslim issue” for the community to deal with itself. That can continue no longer. As Fiyaz Mughal, who runs the Muslim hate-crime monitoring group Tell MAMA, says: “They are hate incidents and are recorded as such by us.”

    There may be deep theological differences between mainstream Sunni Muslim tradition and the Ahmadi Muslim tradition, but this isn’t just a theological debate. Ahmadis have the right to live peacefully and without persecution, just like other Muslims in Britain. An alarmingly large number of Muslims who call for tolerance for their own beliefs seem unwilling to afford that tolerance to other minorities. This is a human rights matter. If mainstream Muslim groups, such as the Muslim Council of Britain, accept that Ahmadis have the right to live here without persecution, why don’t they speak out against hate-speech?

    It wasn’t always like this. Being an Ahmadi was only criminalised in Pakistan by dictator Zia ul-Haq in the 1970s after pressure from Muslim hardliners, yet their persecution has worsened since. In Britain, increasing sectarianism has followed the rise of extremists groups such as the Taliban, al-Qaeda and now Isis. The victims of inter-Muslim hatred aren’t always just Ahmadis, but even bigger minority groups such as Shia Muslims.

    Of course, Muslims aren’t alone in their sectarianism against religious sects: Christians have a long, inglorious history in this regard. The centuries old Hindu caste system in India also leads to appalling treatment of lower-caste ‘Dalits’.

    So let’s call this out for what it is: pure bigotry and persecution. People who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others don’t deserve either.

    Asad Shah’s death is a reminder that to bend the arc of history towards justice requires speaking out for it, even if it doesn’t directly affect us. Otherwise, we all become complicit in that injustice.
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    (Original post by Emperor Trajan)
    "After Asad Shah's 'religiously prejudiced' death, we know inter-Muslim hatred is a problem in BritainMuslims aren't alone in facing problems with sectarianism, but people who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others deserve neither"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6955146.html
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    By all accounts, the death of shopkeeper Asad Shah on Thursday night in Glasgow was alleged to be related to his background. It shocked the local community and a tribute event on Friday was attended by hundreds of people, including Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. But, astonishingly, it is now suspected that Shah was killed by another Muslim man because he was an Ahmadi Muslim. It is the first high-profile anti-Ahmadi incident on British soil, and it has already sent ripples of shock throughout the small community.Ahmadis are an Islamic sect, founded in modern day Pakistan in 1889. There’s no definitive number of Ahmadi Muslims: estimates range between two million to “tens of millions”, and though they are spread across the world, they are predominately based in Pakistan. Ahmadis are also considered heretics by many Sunni Muslims, and are viciouslypersecuted in their homeland. Pakistan treats Ahmadis no better than Apartheid South Africa treated black people; that is, with complete contempt.It’s shocking, but not entirely surprising, that the persecution Ahmadis face in Pakistan has travelled over here. Several British Ahmadis I spoke to say they have known of someone who had been threatened or attacked for being an Ahmadi here in Britain. One anti-Ahmadi group with offices in London organises conferences that spread hate-speech against them; a popular Facebook group sent out a message of “congratulations” on news of Shah’s death.
    The persecution of British Ahmadis by other Muslims has become worryingly normalised, yet has remained largely unspoken. In recent weeks, several British imams in Glasgow and Bradford openly praised Mumtaz Qadri, who murdered a Pakistani governor for campaigning against the country’s vicious blasphemy laws (used primarily topersecute and even kill religious minorities including Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Ahmadis in Pakistan).These are not isolated incidents. Last month a group of Muslims in Scunthorpe protested against an Ahmadi mosque being built, and there have been reports of similar incidents elsewhere around the country. In 2010, The Independent reported of hard line Muslims in west London calling for Ahmadis to be killed. In Tooting, mainstream Sunni preachers were found to have urged follower to boycotts Ahmadi businesses.What’s frustrating for many British Ahmadis is that authorities are only just beginning to take their persecution seriously. Until now, it has been written off as an “internal Muslim issue” for the community to deal with itself. That can continue no longer. As Fiyaz Mughal, who runs the Muslim hate-crime monitoring group Tell MAMA, says: “They are hate incidents and are recorded as such by us.”There may be deep theological differences between mainstream Sunni Muslim tradition and the Ahmadi Muslim tradition, but this isn’t just a theological debate. Ahmadis have the right to live peacefully and without persecution, just like other Muslims in Britain. An alarmingly large number of Muslims who call for tolerance for their own beliefs seem unwilling to afford that tolerance to other minorities. This is a human rights matter. If mainstream Muslim groups, such as the Muslim Council of Britain, accept that Ahmadis have the right to live here without persecution, why don’t they speak out against hate-speech?It wasn’t always like this. Being an Ahmadi was only criminalised in Pakistan by dictator Zia ul-Haq in the 1970s after pressure from Muslim hardliners, yet their persecution has worsened since. In Britain, increasing sectarianism has followed the rise of extremists groups such as the Taliban, al-Qaeda and now Isis. The victims of inter-Muslim hatred aren’t always just Ahmadis, but even bigger minority groups such as Shia Muslims.Of course, Muslims aren’t alone in their sectarianism against religious sects: Christians have a long, inglorious history in this regard. The centuries old Hindu caste system in India also leads to appalling treatment of lower-caste ‘Dalits’.So let’s call this out for what it is: pure bigotry and persecution. People who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others don’t deserve either.Asad Shah’s death is a reminder that to bend the arc of history towards justice requires speaking out for it, even if it doesn’t directly affect us. Otherwise, we all become complicit in that injustice.
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
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    ”Muslims aren't alone in facing problems with sectarianism, but
    people who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others deserve neither"
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    It has always been a problem and it started with the death threats over a few lines in a book

    We failed to take action then and it's only got worse.

    Unless we stand up fight this intolerance this will only get worse and the future will not be what we want.
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    (Original post by z33)
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    Thank you

    ”Muslims aren't alone in facing problems with sectarianism, but
    people who demand respect for their beliefs but can’t afford tolerance to others deserve neither"
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    This sort of thing has been going on for a long time now, and there have been killings before
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    (Original post by ikhan94)
    This sort of thing has been going on for a long time now, and there have been killings before
    Yes this is true.

    This group came to the UK for protection because muslims were killing them in their own country

    We have failed as a society to protect these people from those they were fleeing
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
    I think Islam or at least certain interpretations of it and their adherents do a pretty good job in tarnishing the image of Islam in Britain, such as those Muslims who have hatred and intolerance for those not of their sect, culminating in hate incidents against Ahmadi Muslims and death of Asad Shah. Islamophobia is becoming more and more a meaningless word now.
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
    Everything that was written was true, its not an attempt to tarnish Islam, its to raise awareness on what really goes on.

    Ahmadis are treated really badly by other denominations. Its just that no one talks about it, its always pinned down.

    The number of Ahmadis who are persecuted every day is crazy. That doesn't mean all Sunnis distribute hatred against Ahmadis however you can't ignore the fact that it is Sunnis who go around killing innocent Ahmadis, even Shias!
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
    Nobody needs to "attempt to tarnish Islam"
    There are plenty of Muslims out there doing it for themselves.......boy.😊
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
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    (Original post by caravaggio2)
    Nobody needs to "attempt to tarnish Islam"
    There are plenty of Muslims out there doing it for themselves.......boy.😊
    Give me an example of actual Muslims with evidence doing bad things
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Give me an example of actual Muslims with evidence doing bad things
    Sorry Ollie. The number 1 rule of trolling is never show your hand too soon. You just blew it.😆
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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
    Excuse me..Can you please explain something below? Do Muslims isolate themselves from others..because of Allah? Now I know why Muslims can't be friends with Christians or Jews.

    Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 51:

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ
    بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

    O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
    (English - Shakir)

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    (Original post by Oliver_94)
    Another Islamophobic attempt to tarnish Islam. Grow up boy.
    How is it Islamophobic to speak out against intolerance, discrimination and sometimes even violence against Muslim minority groups like Ahmadi Muslims, Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, liberal Muslims etc...?
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    As I said on the other thread, if you can't love, why should you receive it back?

    It's a shame that inter-religious problems are just being talked about now, we should've been fighting this problem a long time ago.
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    Excuse me..Can you please explain something below? Do Muslims isolate themselves from others..because of Allah? Now I know why Muslims can't be friends with Christians or Jews.

    Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 51:

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ
    بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

    O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
    (English - Shakir)

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    Let me make it clear for you because you cannot pick out a verse, misinterpret it and misuse it without knowing the full story and context to it.

    To understand the issue of befriending the Jews, Christians or people of any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the Quran collectively. Let us look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith: As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)
    God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)
    From the above verses, we learn that we are only discouraged from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let’s go back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further light on the issue. And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)
    During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally themselves with the enemy.Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57)God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.Quranic verses referring to the righteous Jews and Christians:
    Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (Quran 7:159)
    And We caused Jesus, the son of Mary, to follow in the footsteps of those (earlier prophets), confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah; and We sent him the Gospel, wherein there was guidance and light, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah, and as a guidance and admonition unto the God-conscious. (Quran 5:46)
    Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)
    Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Quran 3:113-114)
    And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (Quran 3:199)The following verse from the Quran capsulates this issue:O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Quran 49:13)
    Hope that makes sense ^^
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    Actually it's been well known for years. Welcome to the party. Glad you finally caught on. What other things have you just caught onto?
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    More worrying news

    Scottish mosque figures linked to banned sectarian group
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35928089

    'They show that both the men in Scotland used their mosques to hold events in SSP's honour and further its teachings.'

    Hate is being taught in mosques so no wonder this spills over into the streets
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    Thought it would be worth mentioning that there are some examples of Muslims who are actively trying to combat this sectarianism, and instead trying to promote tolerance and inclusivity. We need more of this:

    (Original post by chemting)
    progressive Muslims who are trying to have non-segregated gay-friendly mosques

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22889727
    http://inclusivemosqueinitiative.org/about
 
 
 
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