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    It is said that there is no biological basis for race, that is there are no specific genes that define any particular race, so why does the concept race still exist and why is there still racial categories ? Is it for social/political reasons? Is it important we distingush people by their colour?
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    You cant make a assumption like that and then start a thread on it. Where does it say there is no biological basis for race? So I’ve made some rubbish up just so we can have a nice argument about which colour is better or why we are different. The body of a black man differs from the one of a white man. Below I’ve outlined a few points for people that don’t know:

    Colour
    Black men can’t swim
    Noise (wider)
    Hair (frizzy)
    Eyes (wider and wider apart)
    Bone structure

    If these aren’t caused by different genes then how can these be features be different from whites to blacks? And I don’t mean in the sense that we all have different shaped noses etc..
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    (Original post by pinkfairy)
    It is said that there is no biological basis for race, that is there are no specific genes that define any particular race,
    nonsense.


    (Original post by pinkfairy)
    so why does the concept race still exist and why is there still racial categories ? Is it for social/political reasons? Is it important we distingush people by their colour?
    The concept exists becauses races exist and no it isnt important we distinguish people by their colour.
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    Could someone please provide some scientific evidence that has been subject to peer review that there are gentic differences between races. I am not doubting it but if people are going to make claims some proof would be appreciated.
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    if there was no difference between the genes then we would look the same, and essentially be the same, the minute differences in genes define who we are, what we are, including blue eyes when compared to brown etc.

    The genes of our parents define what we look like... this is common knowledge and is taught at GCSE level.

    Speciez... i am unsure what u are asking... i'l go and wip out one of my little brothers text books and give you a quote if you want?
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    (Original post by pinkfairy)
    It is said that there is no biological basis for race, that is there are no specific genes that define any particular race, so why does the concept race still exist and why is there still racial categories ? Is it for social/political reasons? Is it important we distingush people by their colour?
    It has to be biological, why do people from different countries look as they do, hmm. Tricky one.

    What I find rather strange is...

    If we are the be treated as equals and not discriminated against, why do application forms always ask ethnic origin?
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    (Original post by ToshTrent)
    What I find rather strange is...

    If we are the be treated as equals and not discriminated against, why do application forms always ask ethnic origin?
    for statistical purposes.
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    tosh... its so that companies can show that they are offering equal opportunities.

    look at a barney the dinosaur show in the mornings... there is always a little black kid, a little white kid, a chinese kid etc... no matter how crap they are, they are on the show because the t.v company doesn't want to be seen as racist, and wants to be setting a good example to all the little kids watching.
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    Speciez... i am unsure what u are asking... i'l go and wip out one of my little brothers text books and give you a quote if you want?
    a scientific study, subject to peer review, [peer review is the system that is used to check that scientific publications are valid, it involves the submition of the work to a group of scientists in the field who then decide whether its sutiable to publish] i doubt the science text book would provide enough info and whether that info would be correct

    Ethinic origin is asked to ensure ethnic minorities aren't discriminated against. its abit too PC for my liking as the stats are justed used to make pretty graph to show that X isnt discriminating.
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    tosh... its so that companies can show that they are offering equal opportunities.
    How can asking for someones percieved ethnic background show that theyre offering equal opportunities? Its so they have a record of what percentage of their work force or students/applicants whatever are black/irish/british/catholic etc - as i said, statistical purposes(which may themselves be used to aid in promoting equal opportunities)

    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    look at a barney the dinosaur show in the mornings... there is always a little black kid, a little white kid, a chinese kid etc... no matter how crap they are, they are on the show because the t.v company doesn't want to be seen as racist, and wants to be setting a good example to all the little kids watching.
    True in itself, but not relevant.
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    equal opportunities to people of ethnic minorities... the co-op for example ensures a certain percentage of its workforce is from an ethnic minority.


    Its entirely relevant, its shows t.v companies are striving to appear to be offering opportunities to people of ethnic minorities, despite the consequences for there 'dancin and sing'.
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    this thread is rubbish... in my humble oppinion
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    equal opportunities to people of ethnic minorities... the co-op for example ensures a certain percentage of its workforce is from an ethnic minority.


    Its entirely relevant, its shows t.v companies are striving to appear to be offering opportunities to people of ethnic minorities, despite the consequences for there 'dancin and sing'.
    Barney the dinosaur attempting to promote diversity and acceptance doesnt really bear relation to the questions used by companies and universities to survey the ethnic backgrounds of their applicants and workers - this information is gathered for statistical purposes, unless discrimination (positive or negative) has become legal.
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    Different racial groups don't have different genes they have different alleles of the same genes. The easiest way to explane what an allele is that I can think of is this. Lets say that there is one gene that codes for eye colour now for that gene there will be many alleles for blue eyes, green eyes, brown eyes and hazel eyes. Now within the human race there are many different genes that code for everything from skin colour to height (or sometimes many genes). Through the process of natural selection some alleles are more preferable to areas of the globe. This gives the carriers of this allele a genetic advantage meaning that they are more likely to reproduce successfully. This means that different areas will have different characteristics which make them better suited to their area. Now this happens over millions of years. So from my understanding well all have the same genes but different alleles.

    I think I read somewhere that the human race has 99.8% of their genes in common. This means that the difference between races will never be more than 0.2%. Which in all honesty isn't much.
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    barney the dinosaur doesn't recruit the kids my friend, the big-wigs do.

    they consider the image they are portraying to be important, it is a reflection of the opinion of many more companies of the like, and hence, the decsion of a large company such as Fox etc, is far more important then it first may seem.

    the image they are portraying is also of importance of companies who recruit and then display there recruitment to the government, such as the police and the co-op.

    the co-op is famed for being an equal opportunities employer, can u imagine if it never hired a ethnic minority, if its whole workforce was white? the co-op realises this is a niech and hence ensures it hires a satisfactory number of people who would otherwise be disciminated against in order to make this claim.
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    What is so wronge about that? I mean if the employer in only employing one racial group in a ethnically diverse area then something is going wronge. Obviously I don't mean employ a person from the ethnic monority just because they are from that group but make sure you at least interview people from a range of groups so you can make sure that you have the best person for the job
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    there is absolutly nothing wrong with it randdom u liberalist you .

    i was simply talking about the question of why people ask for ethinic origin on application forms.
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    If course there are genetic reasons why all races look different but according to Jones (1981) racial differences are only skin deep meaning that the way in which members of different races act ('racial differences') is due to the way they have been socialised.
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    (Original post by Mineko)
    If course there are genetic reasons why all races look different but according to Jones (1981) racial differences are only skin deep meaning that the way in which members of different races act ('racial differences') is due to the way they have been socialised.
    This thread is slightly confusing, because firstly is there/or isn't there any ‘biological differences’ between races? From Biology I recall briefly going over the human genome project, and we were given rather conflicting information, first the recently adopted view that there is no biological basis for race, given that the most recent genetic evidence from the human biodiversity project confirmed that races don’t exist because the genes are almost identical in all people (also looked at articles in ‘Nature Genetics’ & ‘New England Journal of Medicine’ which proposed this idea). Secondly we considered an article from ‘Genome Biology’ by some scientists from Stanford University, who challenged the view that there was no ‘biological basis for race’. I can’t quite recall what they said but they did criticise many of the findings for not being based on an objective scientific perspective but rather an exaggerated sensitivity to historical notions of genetic superiority (which I sort of agree with) but going back to the question asked, if there isn’t ‘any biological basis to race’ then fine, but if there is (which I think there is), and we falsely believe there isn’t then the denial of racial differences might lead to poor healthcare, because characterising groups by race is an effective approach to identifying risks of disease. Ignoring any possible differences will be dangerous.
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    Races does not exist. Race, in biology, is defined as groups within a species which can reproduce together but normally do not. Humans naturally reproduce with other humans regardless of tehir ethnical background. Thus teh human species is not composed of races. In addition skin color does not provide much information about ethnical background because it is mainly determined by the intensity of UV light in the region from which the ethnic group originates. Therefore people with similar hue can be vastly different genetically with the only common factor being those genes which favour resistance towards UV radiation.
 
 
 
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