Young voters who want to stay in the EU must vote, or we will be out! Watch

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Interesting polling released today. Although 53% of 18-34 age group want to stay in the EU, only half of us are prepared to vote. :sad:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...s-brexit-leave

This means in practise that the referendum result will be to leave the EU, unless we go out and vote.

It's in our hands!

Voting will be really easy. Take the card to the poll, or register for a postal. The latter takes 10 minutes. Make sure you are on the register as well.

Can I register to vote?
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/registe...gister-to-vote

Register to vote. (takes 5 minutes)
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
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Gonna vote out.


EU can go 2 hell
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Young voters should vote out and stop being brainwashed by corporate education. Less supply of workers = more jobs for you young Brits.

You really think staying in the EU justifies a 70 to 1 application rate for graduate jobs? ermmmmmmm

Does the EU create 70 more jobs per person? ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE OUT!

Protect your future today. This is from a guy with a masters in economics.

Even a small 50p increase in minimum wage = thousands more will come to the UK this year. Hence why we haven't had any wage increases for 20 odd years whilst everything else has got more expensive i.e education, housing etc
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Interesting new polls.. not sure how im going to vote yet as a 'young person' - but the poll looks like a resounding victory for IN.

Sure out is ahead, but my personal opinion is that for a referendum to swing towards the 'change' option it needs a much more pronounced margin.

We have seen it in a number of elections/referendums, that the more radical and different option always has more vocal supporters, and as such does disproportionately well in the polls..

Thats until the actual election when all of the silent status-quo voters, who did not care enough to make noise beforehand, come out of their shell and vote.

Until I see leave hitting 60/65+% I wont consider any possibility of them winning.
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I would vote if there were votes at 16... How come scottish teens got to vote on independence but british teens can't vote on the eu? seems inconsistent to me.
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(Original post by Bill_Gates)
Young voters should vote out and stop being brainwashed by corporate education. Less supply of workers = more jobs for you young Brits.

You really think staying in the EU justifies a 70 to 1 application rate for graduate jobs? ermmmmmmm

Does the EU create 70 more jobs per person? ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE OUT!

Protect your future today. This is from a guy with a masters in economics.
You mustn't have paid much attention on your Masters in Economics. You have got confused about the lump of labour fallacy. You have also claimed that the ratio of applications for graduate jobs is 70 to 1 and implied that this is due to competition from EU graduates: have you got studies and evidence to back this up or have you just made it up. UK graduates have access to the entire EU job market.

I'm not particularly big on the EU but if you're going to make a case against it, it needs to be based on a proper reasoned analysis of the facts not just the standard Eurosceptic rant of throwing a few random / made up facts around and making up spurious arguments and then saying "I've got a masters in economics".
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(Original post by MagicNMedicine)
You mustn't have paid much attention on your Masters in Economics. You have got confused about the lump of labour fallacy. You have also claimed that the ratio of applications for graduate jobs is 70 to 1 and implied that this is due to competition from EU graduates: have you got studies and evidence to back this up or have you just made it up. UK graduates have access to the entire EU job market.

I'm not particularly big on the EU but if you're going to make a case against it, it needs to be based on a proper reasoned analysis of the facts not just the standard Eurosceptic rant of throwing a few random / made up facts around and making up spurious arguments and then saying "I've got a masters in economics".
300k people arrive from the EU here every year, all prime working age. We have been in the EU for years!

Go to any university see how many students are foreign.

Even if it is 10 to 1 job application. EU does not create that many jobs. We run a trade deficit with the EU every year regardless i'm not going to get into a 10,000 word essay when the corporations spend billions every year brainwashing the masses into buying what's right for them.

I'm a capitalist myself, i don't need to work. But i care for the masses. You can see from all the graphs free trade agreements destroy working families. Hence why we have so many people who work and live in poverty.

Students on here won't understand until they see the real world. They'll thank me then. Hence why this demographic is more likely to vote in and the 50+ is more likely to vote out.
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Interesting new polls.. not sure how im going to vote yet as a 'young person' - but the poll looks like a resounding victory for IN.

Sure out is ahead, but my personal opinion is that for a referendum to swing towards the 'change' option it needs a much more pronounced margin.

We have seen it in a number of elections/referendums, that the more radical and different option always has more vocal supporters, and as such does disproportionately well in the polls..

Thats until the actual election when all of the silent status-quo voters, who did not care enough to make noise beforehand, come out of their shell and vote.

Until I see leave hitting 60/65+% I wont consider any possibility of them winning.
Only among young voters and a few polls, the momentum is in favour of leaving and that's before they have even put a case forwards, and project fear is growing more desperate by the day.
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just wait to see what Mr Brand's advice is... then do the opposite

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The overall poll is 43% Leave, 39% Remain, 18% undecided. More undecideds amongst the young voters as well.

Overall, EU membership is a big net benefit to the UK. The immigration scare tactics are just that - scare tactics. The majority of EU immigrants into the UK are hard working people who boost our tax revenues and GDP, creating an overall bigger economy with more jobs for all of us.

The Euro is in trouble and the EU economy on the continent is troubled, but neither are particularly influenced by us staying in our out.

We should be moving towards a world free of the curse of nation states and their 18th and 19th century warmongering baggage and moving towards what we truly need - global cooperative action and organisation at every level. The EU isn't perfect of course, but it is an attempt to do that. We should stop whining and being pitiful and seek to modernise and improve it. We should stop listening to reactionaries like Nigel Farage and Ian Duncan Smith and their fellow travellers and liars like Boris who pretend to support them for private reasons. We should be moving forwards, not back to the 1950s.
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300k people arrive from the EU here every year, all prime working age. We have been in the EU for years!
Neither of these statements answer the questions you were asked.
Go to any university see how many students are foreign.
Such an empirical analysis. Truly befitting of a man with a masters in economics
Even if it is 10 to 1 job application. EU does not create that many jobs. We run a trade deficit with the EU every year regardless i'm not going to get into a 10,000 word essay when the corporations spend billions every year brainwashing the masses into buying what's right for them.
That's quite a haughty claim coming from someone who just admitted they plucked the 70 to 1 figure from their arse.
I'm a capitalist myself, i don't need to work. But i care for the masses.
How touching.
You can see from all the graphs free trade agreements destroy working families. Hence why we have so many people who work and live in poverty.
Us leaving the EU doesn't change the fact of the EU's existence. We will still have to agree to a free trade agreement with the EU if we do leave, which will doubtless not be as favourable given we would lose all say in it and the EU has greater market power and would have little goodwill.
Students on here won't understand until they see the real world. They'll thank me then. Hence why this demographic is more likely to vote in and the 50+ is more likely to vote out.
There are some good arguments for leaving the EU. This "I'm smart enough to see through all the corporate lies and even though I make up stats it's OK because I have a masters in economics" explanation was not one of them.
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Scepticism is a very healthy frame of mind. Ironically, the euroceptics are among the least skeptical people you will ever meet.

They seem to be under the impression that:

The EU will give us everything we want upon leaving (They make the SNP's claims sound wholly believable)
The (Modern) nation state is the end point of civilization.
We'll be safer from global terrorism
The UK government will automatically provide for brexit shortfall subsidies
The EU will fail (They've been saying this from Day one, and its only gotten stronger)
We will get trade deals that will be better and faster than anything now (And if those foreign countries say differently (They all do) its because theyre all evil liars who hate our country... ad infinitum
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The overall poll is 43% Leave, 39% Remain, 18% undecided. More undecideds amongst the young voters as well.

Overall, EU membership is a big net benefit to the UK. The immigration scare tactics are just that - scare tactics. The majority of EU immigrants into the UK are hard working people who boost our tax revenues and GDP, creating an overall bigger economy with more jobs for all of us.

The Euro is in trouble and the EU economy on the continent is troubled, but neither are particularly influenced by us staying in our out.

We should be moving towards a world free of the curse of nation states and their 18th and 19th century warmongering baggage and moving towards what we truly need - global cooperative action and organisation at every level. The EU isn't perfect of course, but it is an attempt to do that. We should stop whining and being pitiful and seek to modernise and improve it. We should stop listening to reactionaries like Nigel Farage and Ian Duncan Smith and their fellow travellers and liars like Boris who pretend to support them for private reasons. We should be moving forwards, not back to the 1950s.
It's such a big benefit that it costs £50m per day, and even after rebates and spending by the EU on the UK (in effect adding a middle man to siphon off a bit of money) this figure is still over £23m. Even when you throw in the free trade and the EU's own estimates of what it adds to the economy, it is offset by the cost all the regulations that would no longer need to be enforced in their entirety by all businesses.

We also hear no end of how we should improve the EU and how we can do it, if we can do it then how come even with the threat of leaving we couldn't get any changes of consequence even promised?
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In recent weeks the Pro-Brexit camp have accused the pro-europe tories such as Cameron, Osbourne and Hunt of 'starving the NHS', and not caring about people who don't vote tory.

They are correct of course, yet they're just as bad. Although it is amusing watching the tories argue amongst themselves about which lot of them are worse for the NHS.

Mind you, the way the Brexit campaign jumped on the tragedy in Belgium to support their view and tie it to the EU was pretty disgusting and shameful, but no tactics seem too dirty for them

I certainly hope we stay in, but that Cameron and Osborne get a bloody nose in the process.
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Young voters should vote out and stop being brainwashed by corporate education. Less supply of workers = more jobs for you young Brits.

You really think staying in the EU justifies a 70 to 1 application rate for graduate jobs? ermmmmmmm

Does the EU create 70 more jobs per person? ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE OUT!

Protect your future today. This is from a guy with a masters in economics.
I'm sure there are people with masters in economics who would advise us to vote in. Even with the same information people come to different conclusions - that's why there's always conflict as to how we should run things and what decisions we should make.
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Scepticism is a very healthy frame of mind. Ironically, the euroceptics are among the least skeptical people you will ever meet.

They seem to be under the impression that:

The EU will give us everything we want upon leaving (They make the SNP's claims sound wholly believable)
The (Modern) nation state is the end point of civilization.
We'll be safer from global terrorism
The UK government will automatically provide for brexit shortfall subsidies
The EU will fail (They've been saying this from Day one, and its only gotten stronger)
We will get trade deals that will be better and faster than anything now (And if those foreign countries say differently (They all do) its because theyre all evil liars who hate our country... ad infinitum

Indeed, the lac of evidence and a coherent argument for leaving is astonishing. They just make up numbers and throw them about and hope they stick. Unfortunately, as most people are idiots, they do stick.


Take look at Boris Johnson. Early February he wants to stay in, late February he wants to leave. Then in front of the committee, he could barely form an argument, he was criticized even by tories for just waffling about nonsense. He comes out and says he wants trade deals like Canada. Two weeks later he says he doesn't want trade deals like Canada. He's clueless and opportunistic, just like the large majority of the Brexit campaigners.
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It's such a big benefit that it costs £50m per day, and even after rebates and spending by the EU on the UK (in effect adding a middle man to siphon off a bit of money) this figure is still over £23m. Even when you throw in the free trade and the EU's own estimates of what it adds to the economy, it is offset by the cost all the regulations that would no longer need to be enforced in their entirety by all businesses.

We also hear no end of how we should improve the EU and how we can do it, if we can do it then how come even with the threat of leaving we couldn't get any changes of consequence even promised?
It's a shared-sovereignty coalition of countries with equality for each country, so it is a lot of work to get changes through and you need to seek broad alliances. The problem is not the EU but our Tory government (and right wing media) who are unwilling to permit proper engagement for those things.

The cost should be compared to HS2 (current proposal is £35bn going on £50bn) or the annual cost of nuclear decommissioning that the government places on the taxpayer to enable them to sneak through expensive deals with China for new nuclear power stations. (£3bn a year.). Peanuts basically.
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In recent weeks the Pro-Brexit camp have accused the pro-europe tories such as Cameron, Osbourne and Hunt of 'starving the NHS', and not caring about people who don't vote tory.

They are correct of course, yet they're just as bad. Although it is amusing watching the tories argue amongst themselves about which lot of them are worse for the NHS.

Mind you, the way the Brexit campaign jumped on the tragedy in Belgium to support their view and tie it to the EU was pretty disgusting and shameful, but no tactics seem too dirty for them

I certainly hope we stay in, but that Cameron and Osborne get a bloody nose in the process.
Anyone voting out to Punish Cameron or Osborne is nuts. Cameron is ultimately no longer relevant and Osborne massively out of favour. Boris is going to be next PM and he obviously doesnt give a toss as long as he's in power. Just like how begrudgingly left wingers admit that the lib dems moderated the Tories, post Cameron they;'ll be wishing he'd stayed on an extra term in the event of Boris as PM.

As for the NHS, the Cameroons are bleeding heart socialists compared to Vote Leave who
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Only among young voters and a few polls, the momentum is in favour of leaving and that's before they have even put a case forwards, and project fear is growing more desperate by the day.
You miss my point.

I agreed that polls are showing that Out is winning, and support is strong (growing)..

My point is that in my opinion, a small lead in the polls for Out, will actually translate into a clear victory for IN, come election day.

In referendums there is often a clear bias in activism and polling opinion towards the option for change.. before voting day.. but on the day itself many silent voters come out in favour of the status quo, and we find out the polls were wildly distorted.

This has happened in the last 2 referendums in the UK, as well as some elections.

Although undecided, I am leaning towards voting OUT myself... but I just really cant see it happening. only a 53% lead is not enough.. it needs to be 60%+ to survive the waves of undecideds that will come out in favour of what they percieve to be the safer option when voting day comes.
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You miss my point.

I agreed that polls are showing that Out is winning, and support is strong (growing)..

My point is that in my opinion, a small lead in the polls for Out, will actually translate into a clear victory for IN, come election day.

In referendums there is often a clear bias in activism and polling opinion towards the option for change.. before voting day.. but on the day itself many silent voters come out in favour of the status quo, and we find out the polls were wildly distorted.

This has happened in the last 2 referendums in the UK, as well as some elections.

Although undecided, I am leaning towards voting OUT myself... but I just really cant see it happening. only a 53% lead is not enough.. it needs to be 60%+ to survive the waves of undecideds that will come out in favour of what they percieve to be the safer option when voting day comes.
There does seem to be a tendency for polls to underestimate status quo voters - perhaps they are harder to get responses from for some reason. That was definitely the case in Scotland, where despite loads of polls showing all kinds of narrowing by the Outers in the runup to the independence vote, the underlying truth was probably that opinion never wavered from 60:40 - remain:leave.

I also don't think that many British voters, once they hit the booths, will really decide to align themselves with obvious idiots like Duncan Smith and Farage. They will have more sense.

However, it is still a worry and I think the biggest worry of all is that our age group, who care most about this, simply sit on our hands at one of the most crucial voting moments we will have. :eek4:
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