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    Why do we add h20 to balance the equation when its in aq conditions. And what does it mean that these species h+ or oh- or water, take part in redox reACTion but don't get reduced nor oxidised. :s
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    Why do we add h20 to balance the equation when its in aq conditions. And what does it mean that these species h+ or oh- or water, take part in redox reACTion but don't get reduced nor oxidised. :s
    Bascically, in a redox reaction or half equation we need to balance the oxygens, hydrogens and cahrges.

    You add water to balance the Oxygens first, then H+ ions to balance the hydrogens and then electrons to balance the charges.

    e.g. H2SO4 forming SO2
    H2SO4 ---> SO2

    Left side has more oxygens so we add two waters to the right side:
    H2SO4 ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now we have 4 hydrogens on the right but onl 2 on the left so we balance that:
    H2SO4 + 2H+ ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now you can see that they are all balanced but we still have 2+ charge on the left so to cancel that out we add 2 electrons to the left side as 2-2 = 0:

    H2SO4 + 2H+ + 2e- ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now that is our overall redox equation done.

    Just remember the order:

    1) Balance oxygens using water
    2) Balance hydrogens using H+ ions
    3) Balance charges using electrons


    Hope this helps
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    Bascically, in a redox reaction or half equation we need to balance the oxygens, hydrogens and cahrges.

    You add water to balance the Oxygens first, then H+ ions to balance the hydrogens and then electrons to balance the charges.

    e.g. H2SO4 forming SO2
    H2SO4 ---> SO2

    Left side has more oxygens so we add two waters to the right side:
    H2SO4 ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now we have 4 hydrogens on the right but onl 2 on the left so we balance that:
    H2SO4 + 2H+ ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now you can see that they are all balanced but we still have 2+ charge on the left so to cancel that out we add 2 electrons to the left side as 2-2 = 0:

    H2SO4 + 2H+ + 2e- ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now that is our overall redox equation done.

    Just remember the order:

    1) Balance oxygens using water
    2) Balance hydrogens using H+ ions
    3) Balance charges using electrons


    Hope this helps
    Whilst there is nothing wrong with your method I encourage you to think about it in terms of redox. Note that the oxidation number of sulphur changes from +6 to +4. To be able to do this the sulphur must gain two electrons.

    H2SO4 + 2e- ---> SO2

    Now add hydrogen ions to balance the charge and finally add water.

    I am giving you this explanation because I think it is clearer WHY the number of electrons has to be two in this case rather than just following a stepwise formula.
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    (Original post by TeachChemistry)
    Whilst there is nothing wrong with your method I encourage you to think about it in terms of redox. Note that the oxidation number of sulphur changes from +6 to +4. To be able to do this the sulphur must gain two electrons.

    H2SO4 + 2e- ---> SO2

    Now add hydrogen ions to balance the charge and finally add water.

    I am giving you this explanation because I think it is clearer WHY the number of electrons has to be two in this case rather than just following a stepwise formula.
    Wow, I was just taught it in those steps and this actually makes a lot more sense, thanks a lot!
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    (Original post by derpz)
    Bascically, in a redox reaction or half equation we need to balance the oxygens, hydrogens and cahrges.

    You add water to balance the Oxygens first, then H+ ions to balance the hydrogens and then electrons to balance the charges.

    e.g. H2SO4 forming SO2
    H2SO4 ---> SO2

    Left side has more oxygens so we add two waters to the right side:
    H2SO4 ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now we have 4 hydrogens on the right but onl 2 on the left so we balance that:
    H2SO4 + 2H+ ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now you can see that they are all balanced but we still have 2+ charge on the left so to cancel that out we add 2 electrons to the left side as 2-2 = 0:

    H2SO4 + 2H+ + 2e- ---> SO2 + 2H2O

    Now that is our overall redox equation done.

    Just remember the order:

    1) Balance oxygens using water
    2) Balance hydrogens using H+ ions
    3) Balance charges using electrons


    Hope this helps
    Thanks but man, that's a half equations isn't it :s theres just one process.. And can't we just add h+ and water in aqueous I'm so confused now lol. Because redox in acidic solutions can have h+ etc
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    Why do we add h20 to balance the equation when its in aq conditions. And what does it mean that these species h+ or oh- or water, take part in redox reACTion but don't get reduced nor oxidised. :s
    Gimme a redox equation, ok?

    And I'll work through with/for you, step by step
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    (Original post by apronedsamurai)
    Gimme a redox equation, ok?

    And I'll work through with/for you, step by step
    I know how to balance them :s i was asking why we add h2o h+, etc...
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    I know how to balance them :s i was asking why we add h2o h+, etc...
    Just coz :| Them's the rules

    if it gets the answer at the end, why fret about how it works?
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    I know how to balance them :s i was asking why we add h2o h+, etc...
    Because every reaction needs to be balanced and you need the hydrogens and oxygens balanced. I think you cant add just oxygen because that would interfere with the reaction and form something else.

    Not sure if thats correct, kinda guessing haha
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    (Original post by derpz)
    Because every reaction needs to be balanced and you need the hydrogens and oxygens balanced. I think you cant add just oxygen because that would interfere with the reaction and form something else.

    Not sure if thats correct, kinda guessing haha
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    (Original post by derpz)
    Because every reaction needs to be balanced and you need the hydrogens and oxygens balanced. I think you cant add just oxygen because that would interfere with the reaction and form something else.

    Not sure if thats correct, kinda guessing haha
    But this wood only happen in a aq solutions tho :s, but for base solutions u gotta USE OH- to balance :s have you heard about those lol
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    But this wood only happen in a aq solutions tho :s, but for base solutions u gotta USE OH- to balance :s have you heard about those lol
    I think you'll just confuse yourself, just remember the steps and you should be fine, pretty certain you wont be asked why those are used to balance the redox
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    (Original post by derpz)
    I think you'll just confuse yourself, just remember the steps and you should be fine, pretty certain you wont be asked why those are used to balance the redox
    lol but there's base solution redox hahah XD look at them. Ive confused myself way to much haha XD
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    lol but there's base solution redox hahah XD look at them. Ive confused myself way to much haha XD
    This is why I hate chemistry, it confuses so easily haha
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    (Original post by derpz)
    This is why I hate chemistry, it confuses so easily haha
    are you doing the new spec this year ?
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    are you doing the new spec this year ?
    Unfortunately yeah, wby?
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    (Original post by derpz)
    Unfortunately yeah, wby?
    yes hows revision going, I've so far done structures, redox, enthalpy, kinetics in depth. periodicity I've done in school etc. But need to do group 2 and 7 and equlibrium to be ready for first paper ahhh XD
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    (Original post by Asad_2015)
    yes hows revision going, I've so far done structures, redox, enthalpy, kinetics in depth. periodicity I've done in school etc. But need to do group 2 and 7 and equlibrium to be ready for first paper ahhh XD
    I've not really revised in depth at all, I think some time this week im going to dedicate an entire day to chem revision.

    Structures and equilibrium Im okay with and we've just recently done group 2 and 7 so I need go over it. If you wanna post any questions like past paper ones please do because it will help me revise too
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    (Original post by derpz)
    I've not really revised in depth at all, I think some time this week im going to dedicate an entire day to chem revision.

    Structures and equilibrium Im okay with and we've just recently done group 2 and 7 so I need go over it. If you wanna post any questions like past paper ones please do because it will help me revise too
    go on physiscmantstutor he has loads of past paper topic questions, literally piles of questions for revision lol
 
 
 
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